Is it just me ?

[DanRhomberg]

+1 MUCHO!!! He always states this the best.

Again, overpriced Z's seem to be the norm these days. These discussions will not become redundant until all the folks stop with the "Chaos" threads that make these discussions legitimate.

As always, if you don't want it, don't buy it. Never be afraid to voice an opinion though in either argument.( as long as its an intelligent comment and not demeaning)

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Thanks Dan

 

[Mustang Boy]

i have to agree with mucho big time on this on how these "rare" zoas are selling for huge amounts when they are rather common.

i mean purple hornets they are selling for atleast $25pp(cheapest ive seen) yet i see 3-4 ads selling them a week from different sellers which means that a ton of people have them and are therefore growing well and common. if you go through the classifieds on here i will be you that you will find atleast 2-3 threads selling "rare" zoas per week that have alot of the same kinds for sale from different sellers. now how is it that 2-3 people a week can be selling zoas and have them still be rare?

 

[Gamepro_inc]

Not sure about the west coast but here in Florida where I free dive I rarely see large colonies in the wild even. Most polyps I see are 20 polys at most. Not sure if this is due to fish, people, weather, or something else. So I am thinking the only reason they get to be big colonies in our tanks is due to less predators. However we also have coral eating starfish over here in florida too, it is doing a number on the corals in the keys according to a friend of mine.

 

[Akwarius]

You're right. PH are not necessarily rare anymore because of aquaculture, but they are still in demand. If you sold them for anything less than $25 your pm box would be loaded with requests. I urge people to try and sell them for less, say $1 per polyp. Just make sure to offer them to me first

 

[Mustang Boy]

if i had good money i would be right there buying up those expensive zoas then stick them in a frag tank and let them form huge colonies then frag them into colonies of 5+ polyp and sell them for a dollar a polyp to see how many hate PMs id get along with doing my best to reduce the over pricing of all these zoas

 

[goldmaniac]

With all due respect...

it's Supply and Demand. low supply, high demand is what keeps select polyps priced outrageously.

I'm not sure price gouging can be done on a product that is not a necessity, therefore has a guaranteed market.
Price gouging can be done on gasoline or on bottled water in a disaster-stricken area, for example. Both are necessities. Price gouging can not be done on marshmallows, I believe, because there is no true requirement for marshmallows.

\ i'm not an economist
\\ everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong.

\\\ my favorites are still Eagle Eyes and Bam bams.

 

[KafudaFish]

With all due respect...

it's Supply and Demand. low supply, high demand is what keeps select polyps priced outrageously.

I'm not sure price gouging can be done on a product that is not a necessity, therefore has a guaranteed market.
Price gouging can be done on gasoline or on bottled water in a disaster-stricken area, for example. Both are necessities. Price gouging can not be done on marshmallows, I believe, because there is no true requirement for marshmallows.

\ i'm not an economist
\\ everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong.

\\\ my favorites are still Eagle Eyes and Bam bams.

What about at a smores making party? Huh? Yeah that is what I thought.

(I like those too.)

 

[goldmaniac]

I stand corrected. touche.

<img src="http://www.freshmilc.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg" border="0" alt="">

 

[KafudaFish]

And I bow to you my good sir for understanding the humor.

Indeed. Quite.

 

[xxtriggermanxx]

70 posts , only one large colony ? and those (no disrespect ment ) were tubb blues.
I have seen thousands of posts with pictures of really exotic colored zoas on discs ....isn't anyone letting them grow out ?

 

[Mustang Boy]

With all due respect...

it's Supply and Demand. low supply, high demand is what keeps select polyps priced outrageously.

I'm not sure price gouging can be done on a product that is not a necessity, therefore has a guaranteed market.
Price gouging can be done on gasoline or on bottled water in a disaster-stricken area, for example. Both are necessities. Price gouging can not be done on marshmallows, I believe, because there is no true requirement for marshmallows.

\ i'm not an economist
\\ everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong.

\\\ my favorites are still Eagle Eyes and Bam bams.

not true, you cant price gouge marshmellows because if one company jacks their price there are 30 other companies who wont raise their prices so the one company just goes under. now if one company jacked their prices way up and then one by one the other companies raised their prices the same then there would be no way we could get around the price gouging and would have to pay the price if we wanted some marshmellows. that is what is happening in this hobby one person decides to sell a certain zoa for a huge amount of money then they grow them out and decide to make their money back 10x over so they sell them for the frags for the same price they bought them for because they know the can make alot of money on them. well once everybody has them nobody drops the rates because everybody can still make a ton of money off them. this can be proven with my PH example earlier, there are tons of people who have them and sell them but they are still going for an incredibly high price for how easily they are found now

 

[mayjong]

heck these designer zoas WILL be $1 each in a couple years, everyone will be on to something else.

i'm working on the NEXT trend, i'm going to make a mint. i have two words for you-
Brown Acros...



that's $ BABY!!!!

 

[JustClownin]

Mucho, you have spoken my mind, but with much more experience behind it then I ever could.

I love supporting my LFS, but not at the prices they want for zoa/palys, and I love these corals.

 

[chucktd321]

Good read about purple hornets and their craze.

http://zoaid.com/articles005.php

Favorite part about is the gary says he was happy with 20 dollars with the bids... It was the buyers that kept bidding up these astronomical prices. I made a comment about if people didn't buy em, they would have to lower the price. But people insist on buying 50+ pp zoas

 

[JustClownin]

Good read about purple hornets and their craze.

http://zoaid.com/articles005.php

Favorite part about is the gary says he was happy with 20 dollars with the bids... It was the buyers that kept bidding up these astronomical prices. I made a comment about if people didn't buy em, they would have to lower the price. But people insist on buying 50+ pp zoas

Whoa buddy.... thats nuts....:lol:

 

[TeebD]

I can't believe this argument comes up on here again. If you want a colorful zoa, there's tons out there for normal prices, if you want something that trendy, exotic, in high demand, etc, be willing to pay for it. This is true with every product sold in a free market. I don't see why that's such a hard concept for some people to understand.

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Mucho, you have spoken my mind, but with much more experience behind it then I ever could.

I love supporting my LFS, but not at the prices they want for zoa/palys, and I love these corals.

Thanks, I love them also, which is why I speak out. I wish I could share the tons of PM's and emails I have received. This thread and others has truly opened a lot of reefers eyes.

There are those who don't want you to know the truth which is why some want to kill this thread. There's much more to come, stay tuned.

Mucho Reef

PS. Over a thousand views, and still no pictures of colonies !!! Why??

 

[TeebD]

Mucho, what is the truth you speak of? I think everyone realizes that all these polyps are picked out of the ocean roughly the same way. Please enlighten us. I have to admit, after seeing all these threads it's starting to sound like a bunch of people wanting the latest and greatest and not wanting to pay for it.

 

[kichimark]

TeebD- If you want I can cut my UC and sell it to you for 175pp or anyone else that do not mind paying high prices (jk i dont want to chop it up).

btw---what ARE the hottest and trendiest zoos right now anyways? haha. I picked up some red magicians today (about thirty polyps) for thirty bucks today at the lfs....havnt seen pics of colonies on here of those.