Jebao Cross Flow Pump
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Maxspect gyre is "pantent pending".
Which means nothing at all as far as patents are concerned and intellectual property.
Now if, and when, they receive a patent, that's another story.
Until then, bring it on jebao! All they have to do is modify a single part, and it would qualify as a new improvement, and they could get a new patent. Though I doubt they will.
(I've had the Maxspect gyre, it was good, they fumbled the first design, but it is still too expensive)
Which means nothing at all as far as patents are concerned and intellectual property.
Now if, and when, they receive a patent, that's another story.
Until then, bring it on jebao! All they have to do is modify a single part, and it would qualify as a new improvement, and they could get a new patent. Though I doubt they will.
(I've had the Maxspect gyre, it was good, they fumbled the first design, but it is still too expensive)
seamonster124
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Sold out everywhere...
shifty51008
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There not even listed on alot of sites anymore except fish street.
Reeferz412
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Still kickin. I had to lower mine to 4 notches because it was blowing over my montis frags lol.
What mode are you running? I just hooked mine up yesterday and I have it on W3. Still trying to decide if I like it over having alternating RW-8's via my Apex
jgraz
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Just received mine and got it out of the box. Before I got it wet i figured I would try and get it apart so that I know how come cleaning time. Well......I gather there is not much dissembling to be done here. I got the cages/rotor assemblies separated from the motor and that is as far as i could get. I could not separate the rotors from the cages. And as for the motor, I could not get that apart as well. I assume they are not meant to be separated. If that is the case I imagine cleaning is going to be near impossible.
In the water. I feel like there should be more flow. I have it on H1 and the dial is set all the way to high. I turned off all my other PH's(2 MP40's and 2 WP 25's). This is a standard 180g 6' long tank. I expected a problem with sand on the far end, but no worries. Now on to the problem. I cannot tell if the speed is actually changing. All the lights are lit up on the speed part. On H1 no matter what I do with the dial speed doesn't change, and I can feel a change either. i can see and feel changes on the other modes, but all the lights remain lit. I have a call out to reefbreeders now for this.
I have all my PH's back on for now as well as the crossflow and flow ATM is absolutely insane in the tank. So we will see how it goes.
If anyone has a clue on how to disassemble these perhaps they could post some pics or a vid of it. Cause come cleaning time I imagine its gonna be impossible.
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Disregard all comments about adjusting speed. I just realized it is the button that does it, not the dial.
In the water. I feel like there should be more flow. I have it on H1 and the dial is set all the way to high. I turned off all my other PH's(2 MP40's and 2 WP 25's). This is a standard 180g 6' long tank. I expected a problem with sand on the far end, but no worries. Now on to the problem. I cannot tell if the speed is actually changing. All the lights are lit up on the speed part. On H1 no matter what I do with the dial speed doesn't change, and I can feel a change either. i can see and feel changes on the other modes, but all the lights remain lit. I have a call out to reefbreeders now for this.
I have all my PH's back on for now as well as the crossflow and flow ATM is absolutely insane in the tank. So we will see how it goes.
If anyone has a clue on how to disassemble these perhaps they could post some pics or a vid of it. Cause come cleaning time I imagine its gonna be impossible.
EDIT:
Disregard all comments about adjusting speed. I just realized it is the button that does it, not the dial.
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iced98lx
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The dial controls the duration of the waves in those modes, not the actual speed. The speed button (and corresponding LED's above) control the speed. More LED's = Higher speed.
H1 is just constant on flow, press the speed button a few times until you start to make LED's go out on the top row, the less LED's the less flow should be coming out.
Mine is in the tank, I simply replaced a RW-15 with it and put it on W3 @ max speed. No issues with needing to turn it down in my 6 foot 180. Didn't kick up sand with any mode/speed when using it oriented horizontally as most do. Mine is running smack into my return flow so it does create some interesting flow about mid-tank.
I tried it vertically and couldn't get enough flow throughout the tank with it in my limited tests.
I have not yet tried to take it apart.
The "Reverse" on gyre mode (or manually reversing) seems 100% worthless in my tank, no flow to speak of, perhaps I need to re-aim my cages though.
Truthfully I think 3 of them (each mounted on the back providing flow for a 2x2 box) would be pretty strong, as it is trying to go the length of a six foot tank I think I"ll have to supplement with more than just return pump.
H1 is just constant on flow, press the speed button a few times until you start to make LED's go out on the top row, the less LED's the less flow should be coming out.
Mine is in the tank, I simply replaced a RW-15 with it and put it on W3 @ max speed. No issues with needing to turn it down in my 6 foot 180. Didn't kick up sand with any mode/speed when using it oriented horizontally as most do. Mine is running smack into my return flow so it does create some interesting flow about mid-tank.
I tried it vertically and couldn't get enough flow throughout the tank with it in my limited tests.
I have not yet tried to take it apart.
The "Reverse" on gyre mode (or manually reversing) seems 100% worthless in my tank, no flow to speak of, perhaps I need to re-aim my cages though.
Truthfully I think 3 of them (each mounted on the back providing flow for a 2x2 box) would be pretty strong, as it is trying to go the length of a six foot tank I think I"ll have to supplement with more than just return pump.
Agreed on the reverse mode. I could only detect minimal flow on reverse, I can't see how the impeller/rotor design on these pumps (or the original Maxspect version) could actually generate much flow in reverse. The paddle like design of the "ruggedised" version of maxspect blades looks like it would handle reverse flow a little better.
Interesting findings on the flow Metsin16, do you think yours are working ok? I have mine on 30% as of this morning in a four footer just to see if the sandbed and frags will take the flow. It does build momentum within the tank. In my case I left them overnight after setting them and woke up to carnage. I currently have mine set on W3 (reef/wave) mode to limit the effect.
I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling to strip them down, I was beginning to think I was just inept. When I get a moment I will have a closer look at the rotors and cages as I can't work out how to get the end caps off to free the rotor from the cage.
Chris, Two of them in a 4x2x2 seems to be too much at anything over 20% on a constant flow or 30% (pending testing today) in wave mode, so 3 in a 2x2 would be way OTT IMHO.
Both seem to have been working flawlessly since we went away a week ago. Some of the SPS which hadn't fully extended their polyps prior to the cross flows going in were in full display when I got back last night which is great.
I'll continue testing and try a strip down at some point to see how gunked up they get.
Interesting findings on the flow Metsin16, do you think yours are working ok? I have mine on 30% as of this morning in a four footer just to see if the sandbed and frags will take the flow. It does build momentum within the tank. In my case I left them overnight after setting them and woke up to carnage. I currently have mine set on W3 (reef/wave) mode to limit the effect.
I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling to strip them down, I was beginning to think I was just inept.
When I get a moment I will have a closer look at the rotors and cages as I can't work out how to get the end caps off to free the rotor from the cage.Chris, Two of them in a 4x2x2 seems to be too much at anything over 20% on a constant flow or 30% (pending testing today) in wave mode, so 3 in a 2x2 would be way OTT IMHO.
Both seem to have been working flawlessly since we went away a week ago. Some of the SPS which hadn't fully extended their polyps prior to the cross flows going in were in full display when I got back last night which is great.
I'll continue testing and try a strip down at some point to see how gunked up they get.
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jgraz
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Now that I have figured out the speed control I do indeed feel like its working properly. That was a hiccup on my part and a pretty dumb one at that. I too agree on the reverse mode. The reason there is no/little movement is simply because the propeller just cant move water in that direction due to its shape.
I'll have a look at mine also when I get home. Before I went to bed I actually turned it down to about 70%. I did indeed notice some sand movement, not much but some. But I left for work in the dark so I could not see how things were going.
As for the teardown, I don't think you are inept, I truly think they are not able to come apart. If you look at the cage it seems that they are 2 pieces, but they seem to be glued together. But this is in the mesh area, not at the ends. As for the Motor, I think I broke the shaft, or maybe not. When I was trying to take that apart I noticed that the rotors could not only spin in the same direction but could also move independent of the other. This led me to believe the shaft could be removed, and in turn allow the inside to be taken out as the instruction sheet shows. Well in an attempt to remove the shaft I was only able to get one side out, UHOH. Did it break? Or is it supposed to be 2 pieces? I could not tell from looking at it. So I put it back in and reassembled it. Turned it on and it was moving water again.
Anyway keep the reviews coming.
I'll have a look at mine also when I get home. Before I went to bed I actually turned it down to about 70%. I did indeed notice some sand movement, not much but some. But I left for work in the dark so I could not see how things were going.
As for the teardown, I don't think you are inept, I truly think they are not able to come apart. If you look at the cage it seems that they are 2 pieces, but they seem to be glued together. But this is in the mesh area, not at the ends. As for the Motor, I think I broke the shaft, or maybe not. When I was trying to take that apart I noticed that the rotors could not only spin in the same direction but could also move independent of the other. This led me to believe the shaft could be removed, and in turn allow the inside to be taken out as the instruction sheet shows. Well in an attempt to remove the shaft I was only able to get one side out, UHOH. Did it break? Or is it supposed to be 2 pieces? I could not tell from looking at it. So I put it back in and reassembled it. Turned it on and it was moving water again.
Anyway keep the reviews coming.
I can really feel the flow with a pair of grabbers/forceps against the flow in the tank when trying to retrieve a fallen drag from the bottom. That's at 20% in the middle of the tank. If you want a lot of movement and bare bottom areas, then either Gyre or H1 are the modes to go for.
Apparently (according to the diagram. The rotors and cages go come apart, just not figured out how yet...
jason2459
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On a 180 with what I would assume less flow then a maxspect gyre 150 you may have issues hitting the other end of that tank with much flow. Especially if it's fighting against a return line flow.
