Large Marineland DD tank failures

[ca1ore]

Look, everyone can cite a story where a particular tank has failed. Who know why - tank flaw, bad stand, deflecting floor, etc. Friend of mine who runs a LFS and has sold hundreds of these big ML tanks has had one failure that he knows about. One!

Make sure your floor is rock solid and the stand is level and flat and don't worry.

 

[triggreef]

Got my 200DD used, 2010 tank. I used the stock cheap stand, but I built a base for the stand to raise it up 11 to 12 inches higher than it would be. Its rock solid so far. All is level.

The only issue I have is the same someone posted about the water hitting the center brace. It did not at first so I think that may be from me leaning on it a little bit. (I know bad idea).

My build thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2344192&highlight=200dd

 

[mmaisonneuve]

200 DD failure

200 DD failure

In my case the Tank was new....2 months old.
In my case the Tank was on Marineland Stand.
The Tank was leveled in my basement, on a Cork floor on top of the concrete floor.....I took all the proper measure to ensure it would not happen......and guess what......

Look at the list of my lost and try to estimate:

Dry Goods

Salt to restart the Tank Red Sea Coral Pro X 2 Bucket
Neptune Apex, X 2 PH Lab Grade Probe"¦.they dried out (I still have them)
Biopellet Reactor full of Biopellets (NP Biopellets XL 1000ml)

Plumming for the Tank"¦..

4 Gate Valves
4 Unions
1 True Y
8 90 degree
6-8 feet ultraflex PVC white
10-12 feet of Hard PVC

All for 1" white PVC


Fish's

CopperBand Butterfly X 1
Majestic Angel (adult) X 1
Lemon Peel Angel X 1
Koran Angel (Juv) X 1
Blue Face Angel (transition) X 1
Yellow Line Maroon clown X 1
True Percula Clown X 2
Bengali Cardinal X 2
Cleaner Wrasse X 2
Yellow Wrasse X 1
Melanus Wrasse X 1
Lyretail Antias X 5
Yellow Clown Goby X 1
FireFish Purple X 1
Rainford Goby X 1
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby X 1
Red Mandarin X 1
Green Mandarin X 1
Red Scooter Dragonet X 1
Longnose Hawkfish
Two Barred Rabbit Fish X 1
Dragon Face pipefish

Clean Up Crew (did not take picture of all CUC it's never ending"¦..everything is dying)

Tiger Sea Cucumber X 4
Harlequin Serpent Star X 1
Blood Shrimp X 3
Cleaner Shrimp X 2
Blue Knucle Hermits X 20
Halloween Orange Hermit X 10
Scarlet Hermit X 20
Mix and Match of Other Hermits X 10
Sand sifting Starfish X 1
Mexican Turbo X 15
Tiger Nassarius X 20
Regular Nassarius X 20
Trochus Snail X 25
Blue Banded Shrimp X 2
Yellow Banded Shrimp X 1
Peppermint Shrimp X 1
Emerald Crab X 2
Procelaine Crab X 3
Red Hawai Crab X 1
Pistol Shrimp X 1

Corals

Extra Large Pink Birdnest
Extra Large Green Birdnest
Smal Bird of Paradise Birdnest

Large Green Stylo
Large Green and Yellow Stylo
Large Green Slimmer
Large Monti Confusa green
Large Monti Pokerstar
Large Monti Purple Haze
Medium Monti Superman
Medium Monti Dino egg
Large Monti L.A. LAKER
Medium Pavona
Medium Acropora Bonzai
Large Green Pocipolopora
Medium Montipora Digiata Blue
Small Montipora Digitata Bee Stingner
Plug Forest Fire Montipora Digitata
Large Montipora Capitata
Large Montipora Spondode
Large Blue Millipora
Medium Pink Millipora

Large Galaxy Coral
Large Harmmer Coral
Medium Frogspan Metallic
Large Octospan 2 Colors Metallic
Gorgonian X 2

The Tank and the Stand (2700$)

And it still adding up....I was very lucky to the here when it started...otherwise the basement floor would also be gone....

Costly mistake on the production line I guess.

 

[ca1ore]

That is horrible, very sorry to hear. Tanks warranties are no different than most other warranties - cover direct loss of item but not indirect losses. Had a problem with the paint on my house some years ago. Company replaced the paint, but not the labor cost of the painters, which was 10 x more.

Can you recover some of the loss through your homeowners insurance?

Were you able to determine why/how the tank failed?

FWIW, I keep one of those 100 gallon Rubbermaid stock tubs in my shed just in case. If my tank were to fail slowly, I'd be able to save most of my livestock. If a rapid fail SOL.

 

[kmu]

Guys sorry to hear about your tank failures... thats really sad..

I almost went with a marineland DD tank for my current build

 

[davidfrances]

I have two 250 G Marineland DD's that are approaching their one year anniversary. Both sit on factory stands and are on the slab in my finished basement. No problems to date.

 

[alton]

Sorry to hear about your leak and loss of fish. I would be more interested in finding out why you lost everything moving stuff to a temporary tank setup so quickly? That part makes no sense. I have seen fish members keep 200 gallons of fish, coral, and live rock in 100 gallon Rubbermaid tub for months while resetting up a new tank.

 

[bigbpro916]

Sad!!

 

[SPotter]

Sad!!

ahhh....the hunt for 50.

 

[mmaisonneuve]

Silicone failure in the bottom seam....water was coming out in between the glass and the plastic rim....

For the fish it's a Mystery.....early in the morning at 7 AM they were all ok....then when I got back home at 10...they were all dead open mouth......ammonia poisoning due to stress I guess...and the worst is that they were in 3 different holding bin.....and no external filtration....I was getting back home to set that up when I found them.

 

[anbosu]

Silicone failure in the bottom seam....water was coming out in between the glass and the plastic rim....

For the fish it's a Mystery.....early in the morning at 7 AM they were all ok....then when I got back home at 10...they were all dead open mouth......ammonia poisoning due to stress I guess...and the worst is that they were in 3 different holding bin.....and no external filtration....I was getting back home to set that up when I found them.

It sounds like you had some sort of contaminant either in the bins or in the air near the holding tanks. Unless the fish were all injured or out of water for a while prior to going into the buckets no other explanation really makes sense. Sorry for your loss, I think that's every reefer's worst nightmare.

 

[mmaisonneuve]

Local Reefer all came with the same explanation, They were stress they were breading fast, they absorb to much salt they then urinate a lot and poisoned them self....it's the only logical explanation. Some where in my sump, some were in another tank and finally some where in Rubbermaid.

The real question is more how come a bran new tank gave up like that ?

 

[ca1ore]

The real question is more how come a bran new tank gave up like that ?

Indeed! Level on a stock stand on a slab floor I'd have said what you experienced was so unlikely as to have been essentially impossible. Clearly not. I believe that tank has a 3/4 inch bottom panel, so that is a huge seam to have split. Must have just been a bad tank.

 

[mmaisonneuve]

Bad luck man, bad luck"¦..not even sure where it's leaking from exactly"¦.it's the bottom but not sure if it's a full seam failure or a pinhole"¦can't see thank is too big for me to inspect.

The Thing is now that I'm starting to loose faire in Perfecto / Marineland"¦.At first on the phone it was don't worry we have you all covered and taken care of. Get the mess cleaned up, take pictures, get estimate send all this to us and we will take care of everything"¦..

Well I've putted like 60 hrs (between me and couple of friend) in cleaning all the mess, getting quotes and estimate. I was at the point where we were going to call the mover to take the old tank out and wait for the new tank back in"¦.and get it moved in"¦.well now it's a little more complicated than that"¦.

Now they have all the documents in hands"¦the story get a little more complicated"¦.the insurance company need to go it's investigation, we don't cover your time, we don't cover the tax on the items (over 6000$ in lost that a lot of tax (13% here in Canada)), we may not cover the Plumbing, we not sure at 100%"¦"¦

Do you think I can trust them now ? remember at first on the phone it was no problem we have you covered and now slowly"¦..they are starting to thrown some shade onto what they will do for you and the we might not is slowly coming up"¦"¦my advice lower your expectation and don't trust anyone they are all full of it"¦.

 

[1Sik1500]

I had a good buddy who purchased a house this year and his first fish tank was a Marinland 200DD with their Stand. This was my recommendation due to the price. After finishing his cycle the same issue with the bottom seam letting go on the right side. He was out of town and i had to come over and help his GF clean it all up. ruined base boards and hard wood floor. Ill search for pictures and post them. The LFS gave him a good discount on a Reef Savy Tank after that.

 

[mmaisonneuve]

New tank ? Marineland stand ? did Marineland do anything for him ? because right now their are telling me they have the best customer service in the industry.....

This is yet to be seen.

 

[bigcucumber]

I've heard of failures of the DD tanks. But the worst I've heard was mmaisonneuve tank the amount of coral colonies and mature paired fish is heart breaking. He lives up the street from me. His loss was massive.. I hope marineland warranty covers all his losses.

 

[Mudbeaver]

I bought my 200DD back in September 2013….it was my dream tank…..until yesterday…..Dec 4th

I was upsizing from 2 tanks (30 Gal and a 90 Gal)

Got the 200DD and the Stand and Canopy from Marineland

Thank had been running smooth and everything was perfect, new Dry Rock new sand started the tank and a couple weeks ago I had all my LR moved to the new tank with the fishes and all my 2-3 years old SPS Colony, I had a small cyano outbreak but in the last 10 days it was all gone a perfect….

This is where everything goes wrong:

Wednesday night 22h00 I find water on the floor……where is it from……bottom Silicone seam in the front gave up…..
22h30 I post for help on the Local Forum…..
23h00 people start arriving and we move all the water out…..
The fishes are put into holding tank with heater and Corals into another Tank with heater….everyone has circulation pump.
By 5 AM on the 5th everything is clean……
I go to work….but retreat back home to find all the fish dead….same with the inverts…..
Post again for help…..people are arriving home and until 7pm we move and clean everything we can…..
I go to bed……….
Wake up on the 6th The tank with all Live Rock and Corals smells like a tomb….circulation pump and heater are still in place working…….

Bottom of the Story……We lost everything…..and my Daughter for whom I started back into Fish Tank couple years ago is devastated…..it was he birthday on the 5th…..

I'd say Think Twice with those.....

Wow i'm glad i didn't go with them for my project this year. I had great service with Concept Aquariums from Calgary and they stand by their product specially when they make a mistake which they did . It happens in big companies. Well they fixed it by building me a brand new sump which this time fit under my stand, the last one they'd done it without trying under the stand and it wouldn't go in, too big, lol and they shipped it anyway, but they build one no charged and sent it. thats responsable. I was thinking of going for a DD next year i'll stay away from Marineland then. thanks for posting.

 

[JER-Z]

My 250 DD has been running about 5 years now w/ no problem.

 

[mmaisonneuve]

This was my hope...I was hoping to have a tank that would last long long time....this is why I invested so much in the tank and the stand...to ensure that it would not crap on me....I still wonder what Marineland will do about all this....the lost is incredibly high....around 10K with the tank and the livestock.....all this gone for no apparent reason.