AJPACINO23
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Mark's 180 Starfire upgrade
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Never a fun situation, I know I have been there. Nearly 2 years ago I had the same thoughts. These things can be beat, while it not fun, it worth the work. IMO I would remove all acro’s and setup a QT. This works plus you will have peace of mind after it over. If you have any question feel free to ask.
paulthomas
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Sorry to hear Mark. Don't give up on that incredible tank of yours. I, for one, am anxious to see how you're going to beat the little F'ers. 
Thank you to everyone who has shared my pain. I did not get much sleep much last night and this morning I felt like I was in a haze when I was looking at the tank. 
I have narrowed down my choices to either going acroless and disgarding the corals minus a couple of frags or set up a second system in the garage to house the corals so the display will ne acro less, thus starving the bastards.
Either way, I do know myself well enough that I will not be satisfied looking at my tank knowing that those little bastards are in my tank reproducing and laughing at me. There is no middle of the road for me. It will either be total erradication and try to beat them or a gallon of bleach.
I have done a lot of research on them over the years and I have seen a lot of great threads on how people beat them so I know it can be down. I just need to make the decision to fight the fight.
I just wish there was some more information out there on the life cycle of the eggs.
If anyone has any links to help me in my research, please pm me or post them.
Thanks
I have narrowed down my choices to either going acroless and disgarding the corals minus a couple of frags or set up a second system in the garage to house the corals so the display will ne acro less, thus starving the bastards.
Either way, I do know myself well enough that I will not be satisfied looking at my tank knowing that those little bastards are in my tank reproducing and laughing at me. There is no middle of the road for me. It will either be total erradication and try to beat them or a gallon of bleach.
I have done a lot of research on them over the years and I have seen a lot of great threads on how people beat them so I know it can be down. I just need to make the decision to fight the fight.
I just wish there was some more information out there on the life cycle of the eggs.
If anyone has any links to help me in my research, please pm me or post them.
Thanks
Jim_S
Timo Boll
Interceptor will take care of Red Bugs, but not AEFW. AEFW are very hard to fight. The most efficient thing would be to remove all the coral and put them in a QT and continuously dip them over the course of several months, leaving the display fallow of acro's and hopefully starve them out.
The problem is that dipping won't kill the eggs, and there's no research that tells just what the egg life cycle is. The eggs could just live through the treatment, and begin to re-infest down the line when they're ready.
AEFW are big concern to sps keepers. There is nothing you can really do once you have them. You can fight them and hope you win, but there's nothing 100%. And when you're investing the time and money we are, its a very frustrating issue
The problem keeps getting worse and worse as people pass frags around like its no big deal. Heck, I bet there's some folks out there that have them (and know it) and just won't admit it. Mark is one of the most regimented sps keepers I know of, and he dips all of his new comers. If it happened to Mark, its happening to a ton of peeps right now, and prolly already happened to a ton more
Mark, it took some serious brass to come out and bring this up dude. I wish all the best and I'm here if you need a hand with anything.
Jim
The problem is that dipping won't kill the eggs, and there's no research that tells just what the egg life cycle is. The eggs could just live through the treatment, and begin to re-infest down the line when they're ready.
AEFW are big concern to sps keepers. There is nothing you can really do once you have them. You can fight them and hope you win, but there's nothing 100%. And when you're investing the time and money we are, its a very frustrating issue
The problem keeps getting worse and worse as people pass frags around like its no big deal. Heck, I bet there's some folks out there that have them (and know it) and just won't admit it. Mark is one of the most regimented sps keepers I know of, and he dips all of his new comers. If it happened to Mark, its happening to a ton of peeps right now, and prolly already happened to a ton more
Mark, it took some serious brass to come out and bring this up dude. I wish all the best and I'm here if you need a hand with anything.
Jim
JRaquatics
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Mark, Sorry to hear about your problematic infestation. I can't imagine what has been going through your head since you found out. All I can say is try to stay positive and ahead of the game. Worst comes to worse your strip your tank of acros and starve those little bastards out. If you ever need a start up pack let me know.
jtarmitage
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TMPCC is essentially just iodine, and it does work. The problem is as Jim said, you don't kill the eggs.
dots
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Dude, this is a real bummer and wouldn't wish this on anyone. I am sure if there is anyone that can find a solution or a way to deal with them, its you.
One thing about you I can relate to is your obsesive nature which has brought you this far, and will most likely see you through this as well.
Your methods to reduce your odds have been meticulous, and quite frankly you made me aware enough to begin doing this myself, so I have you to thank for this.......
Like I said when we spoke last night, if there is anything you need, don't hesitate as I seem to have plenty of free time now.
And yeah, its not so much the worms themselves, (though they are nastier than thier red planaria little sisters),.....its the eggs.
We need to find a way that will chemically remove them, or cause enough damage where they don't hatch or just makes them the lame, drooling, moron type flat worms where all they want to do is hold valonia and chaeto fashioned ballons all day.
"YAY, YAY, YAYYY!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxazZRfbups
One thing about you I can relate to is your obsesive nature which has brought you this far, and will most likely see you through this as well.
Your methods to reduce your odds have been meticulous, and quite frankly you made me aware enough to begin doing this myself, so I have you to thank for this.......
Like I said when we spoke last night, if there is anything you need, don't hesitate as I seem to have plenty of free time now.
And yeah, its not so much the worms themselves, (though they are nastier than thier red planaria little sisters),.....its the eggs.
We need to find a way that will chemically remove them, or cause enough damage where they don't hatch or just makes them the lame, drooling, moron type flat worms where all they want to do is hold valonia and chaeto fashioned ballons all day.
"YAY, YAY, YAYYY!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxazZRfbups
stunreefer
Reef Hugger
Oh damn dude, sorry to hear. I hate those M-er F-ers!!!
GL with your battle against them... I had done some reading a while bcak and stumbled upon a med that supposedly works and doesn't brown out coral or harm coral like the other methods do. I know of a couple well-respected people on the zeovit forum used it with great success. Its more expensive than levim., but it would be worth it to me:
http://www.coralrx.com/coralstore/
GL with your battle! Down with AEFWs!!!
GL with your battle against them... I had done some reading a while bcak and stumbled upon a med that supposedly works and doesn't brown out coral or harm coral like the other methods do. I know of a couple well-respected people on the zeovit forum used it with great success. Its more expensive than levim., but it would be worth it to me:
http://www.coralrx.com/coralstore/
GL with your battle! Down with AEFWs!!!
Here is the lifecycle I used when I treated. While I don't think a scientific study has been done this is the info I used. I held all acro in QT for 7 weeks. I removed eggs for the first two week and after that I didn’t notice any other eggs. The FW were all gone after the third dip, but I dipped and screeched for eggs the duration of the 7 weeks.
Thanks for these numbers. I have read those threads and I also really like the thread Ace (hobogato) did when he was treating his system. He set up a complete second system and left his display "dry".
These are the same numbers that I had heard and what scares me is that I have never scene a scientific classification for aefw. For as big as problem as they are, there is relative little concrete information on them.
So, this does not kill the eggs as well?
http://coralrx.com/coralstore/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27
It looks interesting though. I was talking with a couple friends and if I decide to set up a treatment system, I will probably do some testing of different products.
stunreefer
Reef Hugger
To my knowledge no it doesn't kill the eggs.
Its a less harsh (on the coral) treatment, which has lead to better success rates, elimintaing the 25-50% death rates that were commonly encountered during treatment.
I had a "scare" a few months ago when I thought I had them after treating for RBs...did a bunch of reading on it and found great things about this product. My problem ended up being the residual effects of the RB treatment, combined with a refractometer that was reading .002 high, and a thermometer that was reading 2-3 degrees low (my tank sat at 84-84 there for a while).
The user on the zeovit forum I reffered to is a mod there, screename gqjeff. Im sure he'd be happy to provide more input on the subject for you.
Thanks. I am a member over there as well
I have always been amazed by those statistics because I know a LFS who dips everything and a group of locals that also use levamisol and we all admit that it is a harsh product, we have never seen losses close to those numbers. I personally see about a 10% loss ratio when dipping levamisol. I have been using it for over two years.
I do think that I will be experimenting with Revive, TMPCC (which I have had mixed results with), levamisol, fluke tabs, Potassium Permagnate, coralrx and freshwater dipping. What is sad is that I have all of these products in my garage except the coralrx and I still ended up with these bastards in my display
I have always been amazed by those statistics because I know a LFS who dips everything and a group of locals that also use levamisol and we all admit that it is a harsh product, we have never seen losses close to those numbers. I personally see about a 10% loss ratio when dipping levamisol. I have been using it for over two years.
I do think that I will be experimenting with Revive, TMPCC (which I have had mixed results with), levamisol, fluke tabs, Potassium Permagnate, coralrx and freshwater dipping. What is sad is that I have all of these products in my garage except the coralrx and I still ended up with these bastards in my display
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