more tang arguments

[RedM3]

Unfortunately, the people that don't get 'it', never will!

You'll note that in my original post on this thread, I was attempting to explain to the OP and the one or two who joined in exactly why everyone gets up in arms when people claim it is OK to put tangs in small tanks. Nowhere did I even remotely state that I agreed with putting 8 tangs in a 55g or anything even remotely close.

In fact, before I did research of my own or even knew of the wealth of knowledge on these and other forums, I took the LFS advice at face value and had a very, very short lived attempt at a yellow tang and regal tang in my 55. Since then, I've done research, seen the view points, and researched the theory behind it to agree with the general consensus on this forum.

Again, I was simply stating that it appears there is, in fact, some commercial attempt at tank bred tangs. Whether or not they are truly tank bred, or simply collected as juveniles in the wild then tank raised, it is left to be known only by those who have intimate knowledge of the workings of that particular business and/or supplier. If those with more industry knowledge and experience know that they aren't truly tank bred, they shouldn't be labeled as tank bred or tank reared.

 

[username in use]

nowhere have I seen them referred to as tank bred or tank reared. They have always been referred to as tank raised.

 

[Angel*Fish]

nowhere have I seen them referred to as tank bred or tank reared. They have always been referred to as tank raised.

That site is clearly trying to give the impression they are tank bred.

"They are fully acclimated to aquarium life and much more hardy than wild collected specimens."

 

[Beaun]

Bluezoo is mixed on it; they label them as "Yellow Tang - Tank Raised", then in the description it reads "These Tank Raised Yellow Tangs have been reared in captivity and will accept readily available prepared foods. They are fully acclimated to aquarium life and much more hardy than wild collected specimens"

I've never accused bluezoo of having the most accurate information...

 

[Sk8r]

One of the biggest problems is that the advice to put a tang in a small tank generally goes to novice reefers---the experienced ones can't be conned---and there is the novice stuck with a situation. He hasn't the experience to tell that the fish caught wild in the wide ocean is throwing off panic signals left and right. He'll see the fish calm down and stay quieter, learning to exist in very limited circumstances. He'll see it grow---up to a point. He won't have the finance to get a longer tank...or a house with a big wall space---he won't always be able to trade the fish on.

I was so saddened by the post from a person who had the habit of 'trading on' fish...except the[I think it was the naso] tang.
'It just died'.

 

[nanojg]

Its your tank and your money, do what you want with it. Having tang(s) in a 55 gallon tank may work and it may not work, just like everything else.

Relatively speaking, I dont see the difference between a 6 foot tank and a 3 foot tank when talking about an animal that may roam for miles in the ocean.

 

[samdaman]

Its your tank and your money, do what you want with it. Having tang(s) in a 55 gallon tank may work and it may not work, just like everything else.

Relatively speaking, I dont see the difference between a 6 foot tank and a 3 foot tank when talking about an animal that may roam for miles in the ocean.

Thats like riding in the back seat of a Volkswagen and a Truck with a full cab in the back, theres a big difference in leg room. 3 feet swim room makes a lot of difference..

 

[Sk8r]

There isn't, if you crowd it up with rock: that's the other problem. That, say, 8 foot tank needs to have a 'run'. It's like getting certain breeds of dogs: certain ones don't do well if they can't rev up and go. A Peke can tootle, and is no racer, and if you take him walkies you'll come back carrying him half the distance; but a Lab---you do need to take walkies, and a greyhound---they need it badly. You sure don't lock any one of them in a puppy crate and never take them out.
So though I have a 54 g, it's a wedge. It does great for corals and for what I keep (gobies). But once you get into the 75's, there's a huge difference between a 75 wedge (thankfully rare, because it's soaked armpits during maintenance) and a 75 Long, which will support the smallest (peke-style) tangs adequately, but the 75 Corner won't.

When you design a tang tank, you need to clear adequate space for a straight-line run with no rock in the way where some grazing fish is going to be in the path, either. So you want about, maybe, 9" of clear sand or bottom between the rock and the glass, all the way along, with a nice space either to turn, or to come back behind: that's where you can use the extra gallonage. In my bow, I have rock all over, low, which helps my stupid astraeas get a grip, and provides places for corals; but in a tang reef, back that rock off and give them as much free-running room as you can.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Its your tank and your money, do what you want with it. Having tang(s) in a 55 gallon tank may work and it may not work, just like everything else.

Relatively speaking, I dont see the difference between a 6 foot tank and a 3 foot tank when talking about an animal that may roam for miles in the ocean.

Someone please just send me some infractions now. I can't take it anymore.

 

[Frogmanx82]

Personally, I only keep small fish that are more at home in a tank. I agree with nanojg. You put a fast swimming ocean shoaling fish in any size box in your house and it will have stunted growth and not exhibit natural behaviors. Your all living in glass houses and should think about the stones your throwing.

 

[Angel*Fish]

Huh? I don't even own a tang - I'm inclined to leave them in the ocean. But I'm going to speak up if someone one wants to put them in a 3 foot tank.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Huh? I don't even own a tang - I'm inclined to leave them in the ocean. But I'm going to speak up if someone one wants to put them in a 3 foot tank.

Me either! lol My tank is dry in the garage. :lol:

 

[Sk8r]

I'm personally sorry that so many people have based their idea of what a tank should be from a cartoon movie about talking fish in a ten gallon tank. The idea is in their heads that the tank should be that packed, with 2 tangs and a clown, a puffer and maybe a Moorish Idol. It's right up there with pet unicorns, and I don't mean naso unicornis.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Me either! lol My tank is dry in the garage. :lol:

But I did have one built as LARGE as possible to support the fish I knew I wanted to keep (tangs)...rather than sticking fish I wanted to keep in 'what I had'.

Does this make me better than anyone else? No, that's not what I'm getting at. Anyone with $2k can go buy a tank that's 8'x4'. My point is that this is RESPONSIBLE REEFKEEPING. If I know I want tangs, I go out and build them a house that will be more appropriate than a 55, 75, 120, etc etc.

There is a HUGE difference between a 55 gallon tank and a 500 gallon tank. Just because you paid for the fish doesn't mean you can abuse them how you see fit. I paid for my bulldog puppy, doesn't mean I can stuff him in my microwave and never let him out. (hypothetical - I have a cat) lol

 

[Angel*Fish]

^^^WoW!^^^

I'm personally sorry that so many people have based their idea of what a tank should be from a cartoon movie about talking fish in a ten gallon tank. The idea is in their heads that the tank should be that packed, with 2 tangs and a clown, a puffer and maybe a Moorish Idol. It's right up there with pet unicorns, and I don't mean naso unicornis.

That IS sad, it's a cartoon for heaven's sake.

 

[samdaman]

I'm personally sorry that so many people have based their idea of what a tank should be from a cartoon movie about talking fish in a ten gallon tank. The idea is in their heads that the tank should be that packed, with 2 tangs and a clown, a puffer and maybe a Moorish Idol. It's right up there with pet unicorns, and I don't mean naso unicornis.

Same here, ahh nemo brought light to marine fish keeping but also put wrong stocking ideas in to future aquarist's heads. "Gill" will die in captivity, I believe "Bloat" will eat " Peach" and "Jacques" and maybe "Gurgle" too... and "Bubbles" will live a miserable life and go belly up at 6" Because he is fat and healthy.

 

[sslak]

the aquarium industry would not make tiny tangs if they were not trying to make them more marketable to people that do not have tanks that are 300 plus gallons.

The aquarium industry does not MAKE tiny tangs.

They are tiny because they are BABIES, and they are BORN in the OCEAN where they are captured, and sold to the aquarium industry.

 

[TampaReefer79]

The aquarium industry does not MAKE tiny tangs.

They are tiny because they are BABIES, and they are BORN in the OCEAN where they are captured, and sold to the aquarium industry.

Hogwash! Where did you read all of these shenanigans?!?! lol :hmm5:

 

[Sk8r]

Beautiful rig! Sigh. I'm confined to 3' in the corner of the living room.

But indeed---I'd like to have jellyfish. To keep them, I'd have to have a ring circular (vertical) tank like the Seattle Aquarium so the jellies never contact a wall-I think I could build that between the living room and the kitchen---but hey, y'know, I'll just go to the Seattle Aquarium!

Sometimes y' just have to either build it, like that beautiful tank by TampaReefer above, buy it, or frankly admit you can't afford it. I want a Lamborghini. I want a yacht. I think a whale shark would be wonderful---but y'know, there is such a thing as practicality. It should somehow intervene when somebody buys a fish that needs to grow to 12" when he has a 24" tank.

 

[samdaman]

Hogwash! Where did you read all of these shenanigans?!?! lol :hmm5:

Lol. You better get a Achilles Tang for your tank TAMPA!