Mountains of sawdust (360g plywood, LED, Arduino build)

Since you've been gone, Adrienne and others in the Lounge enjoy making fat jokes at my expense. I would like to banananate (dang) her but I do not have the power :D
 
Glad to see you back.

Also happy to hear that your wife is healthy. It's a scary time - my wife is going through it now.
 
Tank? Last we heard it leaked and you pulled the plug..

Technically, I don't think it "leaked" in the sense of water getting on the floor. The fault was that the plywood in on of the eurobraces delaminated because water had gotten in through a pinhole, because I had run the water level significantly higher than originally planned (and hence hadn't noticed/cared about the pinhole during construction, because that part of the brace wasn't supposed to get wet). At any rate, I am hoping to have it fixed by the weekened and will post photos to explain in more detail!
 
Technically, I don't think it "leaked" in the sense of water getting on the floor. The fault was that the plywood in on of the eurobraces delaminated because water had gotten in through a pinhole, because I had run the water level significantly higher than originally planned (and hence hadn't noticed/cared about the pinhole during construction, because that part of the brace wasn't supposed to get wet). At any rate, I am hoping to have it fixed by the weekened and will post photos to explain in more detail!

Excellent news - especially about th wife... And I can't wait to see how you fixed the tank :)

Simon
 
Well, I had a nice patch of time carved out on Sunday afternoon to do the fix, and then I got a call from my brother that the motor in our co-owned boat had overheated and wouldn't start. Turns out, number 4 cylinder was full of water. :mad: So instead of fixing the tank, I spent the afternoon pulling the head off...

So instead I'll just walk through the planned repair. As a refresher, the tank is made from 3/4 hardwood ply. It is held together with polyurethane glue (i.e. Gorilla Glue), 3" plated deck screws, and on some seams, biscuits. The top is braced with a double-thick 4" wide eurobrace made from the same 3/4 hardwood ply. The crack is essentially a delamination in one of the eurobraces, i.e. the plywood split apart. The crack is in the "back" 6' side of the tank, and runs almost the entire length of the brace in question. The crack is "tight" in the sense that it more or less holds itself closed. But a putty knife can (carefully!) wedge it open maybe a mm or so.

Besides the fact that the aforementioned pinhole allowed water into the brace, I'm sure the splitting was somewhat "helped" by the screws. Even though I predrilled all holes, I'm sure that putting a screw that far into the edge of a narrow strip of plywood isn't exactly a good idea. The drawing should make clear what I'm hinting at here.

Speaking of the drawing, I'm sure you will all be yet again blown away by my MS paint skillz:

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This is a cutaway view of the side of the tank and the eurobrace. Text is color coded.

My planned repair is partially under way. I sanded the face of the brace down to bare wood, i.e. removed original epoxy. This was to help the epoxy for the repair bond well. I didn't just want a mechanical lock into the old epoxy, I wanted new penetration into the wood. I also drilled out the pinhole that I suspect caused the problem to ensure there were no contaminants about to get locked away forever.

I have on hand for the repair more of the original epoxy, some powdered thickener (it's a mix from uscomposites but I suspect it's mostly glass microbubbles), and some heavy glass tape - I've had it laying around and don't remember the weight but it's fairly heavy for hobby use so I would probably guess between 5 and 10 ounces. My plan is to wet out the wood, working epoxy into the crack with a brush. Then, I will wet out the glass and apply it to the face of the eurobrace. I sold off my vacuum bagging rig long ago but I have some bagging film left that I will cover it with, holding it tight with tape and clamps, to keep the fabric pressed against the face of the brace. Once this is cured I'll touch it up with more epoxy if it needs it.

Essentially there aren't any inherent forces trying to separate the crack, so the repair probably doesn't really need to be that strong - my biggest worry is just that the section of brace below the crack would completely split away, but it's still very much intact as-is and should get totally locked in place by the proposed repair.

The second "phase" of this rehab effort is to lower the overflow box within the tank. I've already cut it away from the wall (I am EXTREMELY glad that I siliconed an acrylic box into the tank for an overflow, instead of building one permanently into the tank out of wood and epoxy. Cutting it out and getting it all cleaned up only took about an hour). So, I'll just glue it back on an inch and a half or so lower. This will keep the eurobrace completely dry, and dropping the water level that much will cut about 150 lbs of water weight out of the system! The water level will still be about half an inch above the top edge of the glass viewing panes, so I don't expect the perception from viewers to change significantly.

Also, just throwing this tidbit out there. There's a box full of brand spanking new LEDs and optics sitting on my desk at home... :)
 
Nice to see you back Sir. Looking forward to see how your entire build and espically LED setup, we all know it would be very informative full of excitement. Keep it coming and wishing you all the best.

Tahir
 
Sounds like a good plan. Lotta work. Glad you're up to the task.

Overflow: Very good you didn't build it in. You'll note I had to grind mine down too.

It's amazing how little water flows thru those &*$^# teeth. How much higher the level will be than you expect. If you're considering surges I'd probably lower the water even further than you're considering. It will allow more vigorous (read interesting :D) surges and lowers the overall stress in the tank further yet.

I've decided I actually want to see the water's surface. With LEDs I should be able to avoid the glare normally associated with a visible surface.

Oh, and if you lower your overflow a wee bit too much you can always glue in a very thin piece of acrylic to raise it, whereas you're stuck if it's too high.
 
Hey!? Who's teeth you gonna knock out!?? :D

+2 on no teeth! Sometimes eggcrate or gutter guard...
 
No critter overboard problems? I'm a little concerned as my total weir length is probably only 12 inches. This makes me think I'd have a pretty big wall of water going over. Wouldn't that mean more fish would take the plunge?
 
Without teeth, the "thickness" of the water layer flowing over the weir will be less than it is with teeth (if you think about it, removing the teeth essentially doubles your effective weir length). I had ~22" of exposed weir and with the Dart at full blast, the water was probably a hair less than a half inch thick. I never had a single fish go over the weir, but the system was only running for a few months.

Ironically, in the 125 that this system essentially replaced, the two overflows HAD teeth, yet my male clown would take a trip to the sump at least once or twice a month, anyways. That's been the only system I've had with toothed overflows in probably 10 years - and the only system where I had livestock routinely travel to the sump...

Plus, you can use a piece of eggcrate or a strip of gutter guard to keep livestock out if you're keen to.
 
I thought you last thought (confusing eh) was that the brace would not be strong enough and you could not identify the amount of damage. I am just curious what made you decide it was OK to just glue the brace? Or maybe I misunderstood the fix.
 
The repair is done! I am posting from my phone so it will be brief, but here are some photos. The first is the crack at its origin, near the drilled-out hole that I suspect started it all.

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First, I ran masking tape along the bottom of the brace and stuck the bagging film to it.

Then, I mixed three ounces of epoxy and brushed some on unthinned. Next I laid the cloth in the epoxy, and brushed it down with more epoxy to wet it out. Then, I pulled the film tight over the face of the brace and taped it down well, so it will hold the fabric and epoxytight against the brace. I really wiosh I hadn't sold my vacuum bagging rig, because after you have used one, not using one deels so crude.

Anyways I am satisfied that this will work out well.

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