MP40 vs 6105 vs WP40

[LuckyLefty3106]

Mp40 but wanna check out the wp40

 

[watchguy123]

I have two of the Tunze 6105s on the Tunze controller and just wanted to try a wp40. Liked the wp40 so much that I got a second and removed my 6105's. the flow and pattern is terrific, super quiet. I put the 6105s in the closet just in case the wp40's don't last. With the pricing and effectiveness, this is extremely seductive. Currently giving the wp40's the test of time

 

[LuckyLefty3106]

How big is the pump compared to a tunze?

 

[cap032]

Yes, but when people such as yourself quote that the product is overpriced, what are your basis? Is it based on your personal income?

The current market for Ecotech products says otherwise, that it is not overpriced.

You are confusing 2 seperate things. Market comparison and consumer comparison. Consumer comparison, especially within these forums is largely based off of product comparison. Financial status has no bearing on product comparison. There is a reason publications such as Consumer Reports exists. Its not always the most expensive products that get the best independant reviews. Product comparison is comparing multiple products based on certain standards such as performance, appearance, functionality, value, etc. An individual can easily state an opinion of a piece of aquarium equipment being overpriced based on what it does vs what a less expensive product does. Thus the more expensive product may be outperformed by a less expensive product, or the less expensive equipment may compare favorably with more expensive equipment making it a better value. In either case, the consumer can state the opinion that either the more expensive equipment is overpriced or the less expensive equipment is underpriced and or a better value. It isnt often we hear the term "underpriced"! lol

 

[karsseboom]

You are confusing 2 seperate things. Market comparison and consumer comparison. Consumer comparison, especially within these forums is largely based off of product comparison. Financial status has no bearing on product comparison. There is a reason publications such as Consumer Reports exists. Its not always the most expensive products that get the best independant reviews. Product comparison is comparing multiple products based on certain standards such as performance, appearance, functionality, value, etc. An individual can easily state an opinion of a piece of aquarium equipment being overpriced based on what it does vs what a less expensive product does. Thus the more expensive product may be outperformed by a less expensive product, or the less expensive equipment may compare favorably with more expensive equipment making it a better value. In either case, the consumer can state the opinion that either the more expensive equipment is overpriced or the less expensive equipment is underpriced and or a better value. It isnt often we hear the term "underpriced"! lol

Or sometimes the underpriced product does not perform as well as the higher prices product. Has less reliability and no customer service. Sometimes the less expensive product turns out to be a dud. We will see how this turns out. I wouldn't buy one based on the other products they made and failed.

 

[smkooq]

You are confusing 2 seperate things. Market comparison and consumer comparison. Consumer comparison, especially within these forums is largely based off of product comparison. Financial status has no bearing on product comparison. There is a reason publications such as Consumer Reports exists. Its not always the most expensive products that get the best independant reviews. Product comparison is comparing multiple products based on certain standards such as performance, appearance, functionality, value, etc. An individual can easily state an opinion of a piece of aquarium equipment being overpriced based on what it does vs what a less expensive product does. Thus the more expensive product may be outperformed by a less expensive product, or the less expensive equipment may compare favorably with more expensive equipment making it a better value. In either case, the consumer can state the opinion that either the more expensive equipment is overpriced or the less expensive equipment is underpriced and or a better value. It isnt often we hear the term "underpriced"! lol

Very confusing to understand what your trying to state. Market comparison? Consumer comparison? Product comparison?

If you state that "it" is overpriced and is not comparing to market value, then you must be basing it on your personal income.

 

[cap032]

Very confusing to understand what your trying to state. Market comparison? Consumer comparison? Product comparison?

If you state that "it" is overpriced and is not comparing to market value, then you must be basing it on your personal income.

Im confused as to how you cant understand Product Comparison (see Consumer Reports) if you have such knowledge of market comparison. Product comparison has nothing to do with income. Its about comparing products based upon a number of criteria such as performance, appearance, quality, reliability, value, etc, etc. Market comparison deals in revenue and % of market owned (sales) and has no bearing on the criteria used in Product comparison. People in these forums are expressing opinions based on real world applications (Product Comparison). In otherwords, their opinions are typically expressed based on personal experience with products or with performance stats. Their income has no factor in their experience with a product. Personally I own 2 MP40s..........therefore income has nothing to do with my own personal opinion any way you want to spin it!

 

[cap032]

Or sometimes the underpriced product does not perform as well as the higher prices product. Has less reliability and no customer service. Sometimes the less expensive product turns out to be a dud. We will see how this turns out. I wouldn't buy one based on the other products they made and failed.

That is an absolute truth as well. I wouldnt buy one either, mainly because I dont need one, but also because we dont know if these things will end up being Odyssea type failures and erupting into fireballs!!!!! lol

 

[smkooq]

Im confused as to how you cant understand Product Comparison (see Consumer Reports) if you have such knowledge of market comparison. Product comparison has nothing to do with income. Its about comparing products based upon a number of criteria such as performance, appearance, quality, reliability, value, etc, etc. Personally I own 2 MP40s..........therefore income has nothing to do with my own personal opinion any way you want to spin it!

you are using irrelevant terms/information..

-Market comparison? Are you comparing two markets? And for what?
-Product comparison? What do you mean? Comparing two products for what?
-Consumer comparison? what??

Unless you state why you think product "X" is overpriced, everything you say is just conjecture..

 

[cap032]

you are using irrelevant terms/information..

-Market comparison? Are you comparing two markets? And for what? Since you introduced into this thread, I can only guess you are speaking to yourself here.
-Product comparison? What do you mean? Comparing two products for what? If you are seriously asking this question, please avoid the Equipment forum at Reef Central! :idea:
-Consumer comparison? what?? Seriously!!! We buy the equipment, we compare it, we are the consumers.

Unless you state why you think product "X" is overpriced, everything you say is just conjecture..

We conject all day every day and thats why there are terms such as "opinion" and "quick response". If I gave 100 reasons why I think something is good, bad, overpriced, underpriced, etc,. It doesnt mean anything because at the end of the day, its still "opinion". If I were trying to be helpful to someone looking for advice, I would weigh in with more information as to why I feel the way I do about the product they are seeking out advice for. In this thread however, thats not the case. I gave the quick rundown as others have done. Had you been someone wanting advice and geninuinely asking for me to elaborate, I would have been happy to do so. We both know however that wasnt your reasoning.


Bringing Market comparison into a community where people make product comparisons all day/everyday goes beyond irrelevance. Its like an attempt at boasting, chest pumping, or sharing newly attained knowledge from a business class. Again, if you truly dont understand product comparison.........for your own health and sanity please avoid Lighting, Filtration, & Other Equipment.:headwalls:

 

[smkooq]

We conject all day every day and thats why there are terms such as "opinion" and "quick response". If I gave 100 reasons why I think something is good, bad, overpriced, underpriced, etc,. It doesnt mean anything because at the end of the day, its still "opinion". If I were trying to be helpful to someone looking for advice, I would weigh in with more information as to why I feel the way I do about the product they are seeking out advice for. In this thread however, thats not the case. I gave the quick rundown as others have done. Had you been someone wanting advice and geninuinely asking for me to elaborate, I would have been happy to do so. We both know however that wasnt your reasoning.


Bringing Market comparison into a community where people make product comparisons all day/everyday goes beyond irrelevance. Its like an attempt at boasting, chest pumping, or sharing newly attained knowledge from a business class. Again, if you truly dont understand product comparison.........for your own health and sanity please avoid Lighting, Filtration, & Other Equipment.:headwalls:

I've asked you over and over what you are basing your statement of why it is overpriced on..

You clearly have no understanding of economics and are obviously trying to incorporate complete randomness (market comparison.. product comparison..consumer compraison <-- funny one..) into this.

"for your own health and sanity" If you have no idea of the fundamentals of economics, i suggest you stop trying to act like you know.

 

[Mrlttran]

Anyone curious on what Tunze or Vortech's profit margins are? Their higher price points may have nothing to do with higher quality parts but rather marketing and having people man the customer service lines. Or owners/stakeholders wanting more dough in their pockets.

With that said, I have both a Tunze Wavebox and Wp40 and love both. I do value great customer service and peace of mind but not at 4-5x the cost. The sad part is, the Wp40 can actually make larger waves than my Wavebox. The wavelength seems shorter with the wp40 but definitely bigger waves on my 4'. Bigger may not equal better here but just figured that may be food for thought.

Of course if the cable fails on vacation you aren't out a TV whereas a failed powerhead could have large ramifications. I see both sides of the argument but there are a lot of **** poor reasoning and arguments out there.

Made in China and/or lower priced items does not necessarily equal poor quality. Sometimes it may but why don't we all hope it doesn't in this case so that the masses can get a great quality powerhead at a great price point.

 

[BrooksReef]

I actually just bought 2 MP40s, and 2 WP40s.... I haven't decided which ones I'm going to end up keeping. Right now, I am leaning towards the WP40's... I greatly value customer service, but paying $400 more for it seems outrageous. Who knows, though... the WP40s could be complete pieces of junk after a few weeks/months/years time. But only time will tell!

 

[Ron Reefman]

Anyone curious on what Tunze or Vortech's profit margins are? Their higher price points may have nothing to do with higher quality parts but rather marketing and having people man the customer service lines. Or owners/stakeholders wanting more dough in their pockets.

With that said, I have both a Tunze Wavebox and Wp40 and love both. I do value great customer service and peace of mind but not at 4-5x the cost. The sad part is, the Wp40 can actually make larger waves than my Wavebox. The wavelength seems shorter with the wp40 but definitely bigger waves on my 4'. Bigger may not equal better here but just figured that may be food for thought.

Of course if the cable fails on vacation you aren't out a TV whereas a failed powerhead could have large ramifications. I see both sides of the argument but there are a lot of **** poor reasoning and arguments out there.

Made in China and/or lower priced items does not necessarily equal poor quality. Sometimes it may but why don't we all hope it doesn't in this case so that the masses can get a great quality powerhead at a great price point.

Two excellent points and I agree 100% with you. Great post!

 

[Psionicdragon]

Ya know...heres some information about the Asian language...

Chinese is one of the hardest language to learn and understand. It is not as simple as English, Spanish, etc. The language is based on tones. You can say 1 word such as do in multiple pitches etc, but they do not necessary mean the same. IIRC, there are almost over 1500 dialects in China, but characters are usually the same.

So what I am getting at is...

Jebo and Jebao are not the same company....Sound the same, looks like wrong spelling, but....the Chinese characters are different....

Jebo = Odyssey
Jebao = *shrug* never really heard of them until now.

 

[cap032]

I've asked you over and over what you are basing your statement of why it is overpriced on..

You clearly have no understanding of economics and are obviously trying to incorporate complete randomness (market comparison.. product comparison..consumer compraison <-- funny one..) into this.

"for your own health and sanity" If you have no idea of the fundamentals of economics, i suggest you stop trying to act like you know.

Heres the problem. This thread was created for comparing and sharing info and exp about 3 different brands of powerheads. After 4 pages, you have contributed nothing in relation to which this thread was intended. No one has a clue which of the 3 powerheads, if any, that you own. Instead you chose to interject yourself by picking out 1 comment and giving a lesson in market comparison. As opposed to "just asking for an expansion of my opinion, you chose to travel a different path which came off as very smug/ A Hole-ish and semed to indicate someone must be practically be poor if they believe a $500 pump to be overpriced. You admittedly dont understand product comparison, which is a large part of what we do in the equipment forum, or you choose to pretend that you dont so that you may stick to your "marketing" guns. Again, market comparison, which you seem to forget that you interjected, has no bearing/weight in this thread or forum. You cant attack an individuals personal experiences with various pieces of equipment.........product comparison.......... with "is it your income that makes you feel this way.........it must be!" Do yourself a favor, in the future if you want an explanation from a poster, just ask as opposed to interjecting backhanded comments.........You will catch more flies with honey than Vinegar . Its time to end this diatribe as it is off basis and out of line for the purpose with which this thread is intended. It doesnt look like you have posted much so, I think you will find Reef Central to be a wonderful knowledge base for pretty much anything saltwater aquarium related. There is much to be learned from others here from livestock to chemistry to equipment and so much more. Ron & the Mods, I apologize for allowing this derail to go on for far to long and interrupt the intended path of the thread. Again, apologies.

 

[SeedlessOne]

Or sometimes the underpriced product does not perform as well as the higher prices product. Has less reliability and no customer service. Sometimes the less expensive product turns out to be a dud. We will see how this turns out. I wouldn't buy one based on the other products they made and failed.

What other products are you speaking of?

 

[cap032]

What other products are you speaking of?

Im sure there are plenty of products that fit the description of what he stated. The Odyssea lighting fixtures that were catching on fire a few years ago immediately come to the front of my mind! lol

 

[xtlosx]

Love my MP40s.

 

[rayn]

I am not a fan of tunze pumps, sorry my opinion there. The wp40 just isn't proven enough for me yet...so mp40 it is. Actually just got one a few months ago and love it. Mp10 is waiting to be hooked up as well.