MP40 vs 6105 vs WP40

[rlpardue]

I do think it's interesting that the majority of the posts are definitely anti-Jebao, yet more people are quietly clicking that they'd buy the Jebao lol. They don't care to bet their reputation on their buy, but they will bet their money.

This is interesting because in the politics of free trade, the anti-trade groups are almost always louder and better organized than the free-trade lobby; looks like this holds true even within a single industry...

 

[sirreal63]

Lee, you do understand that this all has nothing to do with free trade, you do understand that, right?

 

[nynick]

Regarding warranty, here is one example. First thing that popped from Google.

http://www.jebaopumps.com/products.php?product=Jebao-PP399-(264gph)-

180 days manufacturer warranty.


and about that "no ambigous" patent, here it is...

"A magnet-holder for attaching an object to a glass pane has two parts of a holder which can be placed on mutually opposed boundary faces of said glass pane and are biased towards one another by a magnetic-force apparatus. In addition, that part of the holder which is disposed on the inner side of the glass pane has a contact plate whose side that faces towards the glass pane carries a plurality of elastic holding cups which can cling to the pane. "

It reads 2 magnets and some plastic cups so I guess I have to give them the fact that they added "a plurality of elastic holding cups" to the algae magnet.

Guess I can't really blame Tunze for going patent happy with the amount of stuff of theirs others have altered slightly and reproduced (even in the US and EU). There are a lot of hyped up overpriced junk companies in this hobby but Tunze has always been one of the good guys imo. Great stuff for a slightly higher price.

 

[sirreal63]

You forgot to include the drawing showing the details. That Jebao pump isn't the same, and a few people got word directly from Jebao that there was no warranty on the pumps.

 

[nynick]

I do think it's interesting that the majority of the posts are definitely anti-Jebao, yet more people are quietly clicking that they'd buy the Jebao lol. They don't care to bet their reputation on their buy, but they will bet their money.

This would be fine, Jebao has certainly put out enough rubbish to deserve this. What I have a major problem with is that some people seem to be anti Chinese.

 

[bluereefs]

There is no waranty for group buy from jebao due to wholesale/factory prices and long distance, you can not get good prices and in same time waranty service, that is what is geted from distributor and reseller, is common practice everywhere, when tunze get malfunctioned nobody acept (in USA) that tunze will send him parts from Germany, that is job of local distributor. Actualy just yesterday I read thread in tunze forum when someone have issue with tunze pump, contacted tunze directly in Germany and he dont even get reply from them, at least jebao answer to all question.

 

[byrdman81]

Warranty,copyright,whatever u want to say I'm buying one for my tank. If it last six months great if it last a year great. Buying two in a year or two is still cheaper than a vortech. i have owned both a mp40 and 10 and it sounded like a plane was taking off on my tank. It seems to be outperforming or holding it own against vortech. I can take the other three hundred bucks and buy a frag pack or get a better light. It moves water and it does it well.

 

[bluereefs]

I think this pump will last for years without issue, I have much cheaper chinese pumps and they work for years, there is no reason that this pump will not work, it is not a rocket science

 

[Khemul]

I do think it's interesting that the majority of the posts are definitely anti-Jebao, yet more people are quietly clicking that they'd buy the Jebao lol. They don't care to bet their reputation on their buy, but they will bet their money.

What I find more interesting is that the anti-Jebao side and the pro-Jebao side make the same exact arguments. Yet there is a ongoing debate.


So, to sum it up. Both sides admit that;
1) These pumps are designed to look just like a Tunze and are labeled to sound just like a Vortech.
2) They are cheap Chinese products.
3) There is no quality assurance at all at this time.


So the only thing in debate is whether these are bad qualities or not. The pro-Jebao side claims that these are cheap Chinese knockoffs that may end up being a better product, if the quality is there (which we won't know for at least another 7-8 months, if not a year or more). The anti-Jebao side claims that these are cheap Chinese knockoffs that may end up being junk, if the quality isn't there (which we won't know for at least another 7-8 months, if not a year or more). It is quite interesting actually to watch both sides rip into each other while agreeing entirely. :celeb1:

 

[rlpardue]

Lee, you do understand that this all has nothing to do with free trade, you do understand that, right?

Yeah, I guess it was a stretch. Sorry lol. It does sound like a protectionist argument a bit though. The new guy to the market makes his play; maybe it'll flop, maybe not. Either way the consumer usually picks the new, inexpensive entrant.

I did just buy a wp40 in a group buy - for $58 including shipping it was a reasonable gamble. I wouldn't have paid full price I guess. Now I'll have a dart/OM, an MP40 and a WP40. Guess I hedged a bit

Swim, fishy swim!!!

 

[sirreal63]

I do hope they correct their issues, we really don't need any more people being hurt because of poor quality control and intentional tainting of products. Adding Melamine to baby formula to cheat protein tests was a really poor choice. Ron, have you had the drywall in your house checked? There was a lot of it used in Florida between 2001 and 2008.

 

[epicurus84]

There is no waranty for group buy from jebao due to wholesale/factory prices and long distance, you can not get good prices and in same time waranty service, that is what is geted from distributor and reseller, is common practice everywhere, when tunze get malfunctioned nobody acept (in USA) that tunze will send him parts from Germany, that is job of local distributor. Actualy just yesterday I read thread in tunze forum when someone have issue with tunze pump, contacted tunze directly in Germany and he dont even get reply from them, at least jebao answer to all question.

I really don't believe that. Maybe one e-mail. But i've also got a problem with my osmolator. I mailed them about 4 months ago, i had no receipt, and i was too lazy to send it.

I got mail i had to send it but i didn't do it for another 4 months. After that time i send it to Germany (of course close by from here) and 1 week later i got it back and it's working as new.

I'd buy the tunze pump. mainly because i don't have rooms for the vortech and i already got a multicontroller for the tunze (i can fit in 2 more pumps).

 

[Lulumx]

I voted mp40, i think it looks clean on a rimless tank

 

[FattyK21]

I def want to try one of the WP40s tho

 

[Ron Reefman]

I def want to try one of the WP40s tho

Try it, you'll like it. I have one and now I'm waiting on the Wp25... and I want 4 of them!

 

[dc]

Let's get back on topic here.

 

[Ron Reefman]

Let's get back on topic here.

There's a topic here? LOL! :lol2:

I started this just to see how a poll would come out. And now I know. Besides, the poll closes tomorrow if I remember correctly. All the complaining about Chinese made products... not my fault. I just want to see who would rather buy which pump system and why.

 

[d2mini]

I've been trying to figure out the hype over the jaebo and from what I can tell comparing these 3 pumps is comparing apples to oranges to grapes.

If you have the cash, it comes down to features. I always choose the MP's because they have features the others don't. Not to mention one of the best customer support systems I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. Yeah it's expensive, but to me those features are worth it. To others, maybe not so much. It's awesome to have several different choices.

 

[stingythingy45]

Just ordered a Jaebo wp-40

There's is no way I could justify,in my mind anyways,spending over $400 for a Vortech.
And then hear about the issues they have.

 

[nynick]

Tunze for sure! Amazing quality for a reasonable price on everything they make pretty much. Not sure how much they are on this side of the Atlantic. I get them when I go home to visit mom (Sweden, another EU country, so no import penalties).

The Jebo seems fine...so far. The company have been uneven in the past though. I assume it must have past some pretty heavy EU requirements if they are able to sell it in the UK.

$600 for a powerhead that has had more problems than a $29 Sunsun powerhead...nope, I will not be buying an MP40. They might have a lot of bells and whistles but the quality just isn't there.

Been in the hobby for 30+ years and have yet to buy anything from Tunze, Jaeger or Eheim that I have not been totally happy with and for the quality you get the price is dirt cheap. My dad died recently and we found an old Jaeger heater from the 70's that he was using for heating up water for water changes.....in 2012!