MP40 vs 6105 vs WP40
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karsseboom
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Odessa is another name the Jebao's go by in the US. If I'm not mistaken. Jebo and Jebao apparently was one company in Asia at one time, but they split up. Jebao seems to have carved out its territory which includes the US, although they are not well recognized here.
Ron Reefman
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Mine has run 24/7 for close to 2 months. I'd buy a 2nd one but I want to see the WP25 first. I don't need the big flow and I've seen rumors of a better controller which would be way cool. :beer:
foundnemo11
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thats not really right. I could see buying a fake handbag with all the logos and design and everything, or a fake watch with the same features. This is a power head that has different logos, different style, it looks like a tunze but acts like a mp40. In my honest opinion I think that they took 2 great things that work in thie hobby combined them and are selling them cheaply
If you guys are so concerned about knockoffs you should stop buying almost all American aquarium products and stick to the Germans. They invented nearly everything we use today.
Is your heater not a Jaeger? Then it is arguably a knockoff and you are giving your money to cheap American copycats. Does that sound awful to you? It does to me which is why I don't say things like that about Chinese products either.
The WP40 combines the best of MP40 and 6105 at a fraction of the price. If this isn't innovation I don't know what is. MP40 is noisy, you can not direct the flow and the price is being kept high by artificial means. The 6105 does not have as varied flow options. Even the size difference between the MP40 and the WP40 isn't huge, for the amount of power it gives it is tiny.
Is your heater not a Jaeger? Then it is arguably a knockoff and you are giving your money to cheap American copycats. Does that sound awful to you? It does to me which is why I don't say things like that about Chinese products either.
The WP40 combines the best of MP40 and 6105 at a fraction of the price. If this isn't innovation I don't know what is. MP40 is noisy, you can not direct the flow and the price is being kept high by artificial means. The 6105 does not have as varied flow options. Even the size difference between the MP40 and the WP40 isn't huge, for the amount of power it gives it is tiny.
animalkingdom
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importing is going to kill america...for that i would say mp40
however I am curious to see how the wp40 performs and will hopefully be getting one in the near future
however I am curious to see how the wp40 performs and will hopefully be getting one in the near future
Let's see, I am running Tunze, Sicce, AquaMedic, Sanders, IKS-Aqua, Radium. Does that qualify? Do I get a cookie? :lol: I see nothing wrong with buying quality that lasts. I have no issues with European products or even products made in China with real innovation or engineering in them. There is a difference in made in China and copied in China.
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Why would copied in China be any different than copied in the US...or France?
There isn't a nation on the planet that is not involved in what ranges from improvements to dangerously near plagiarism. The WP40 would absolutely fall under "improvement" but since it is made in China and inexpensive it is just assumed to be a copy. The MP40 on the other hand is relying on a forced market value for an assumption of quality. For costing the amount of money they do they sure seem to break a lot.
The difference would be if you get caught in law abiding countries, you pay the fine for someone else's work. Ask Hydor, they are paying a fine for their magnet mount, which is in the two patent links posted. I have no love for Ecotech but I do believe in the protection of patents. Tunze and Ecotech stand behind their products, because they have a reputation and believe in the products they design, market sell and support. Jebao on the other hand takes no responsibility for what they sell. It still begs the question what do they know about their product that you don't if they don't warrant or support it?
People flock to cheapness with no thought about the big picture. It is what it is, and when there are no small upstart companies with an innovative idea left where will new products come from? If you personally thought up, designed, manufactured, spent a ton of money to market a product and someone in China copied all or part of that design and sold it for a lot less than you do, how would you feel? Would you want to continue to develop anything new, knowing that some dupe shop was going to copy it and undercut your price by a large amount. If this were you, would you say it is ok, no harm done? If you answer yes, then you are the problem, not the solution.
People flock to cheapness with no thought about the big picture. It is what it is, and when there are no small upstart companies with an innovative idea left where will new products come from? If you personally thought up, designed, manufactured, spent a ton of money to market a product and someone in China copied all or part of that design and sold it for a lot less than you do, how would you feel? Would you want to continue to develop anything new, knowing that some dupe shop was going to copy it and undercut your price by a large amount. If this were you, would you say it is ok, no harm done? If you answer yes, then you are the problem, not the solution.
Patenting something in the US isn't going to do much in China....or Canada for that matter. Chinese patent laws are enforced and reasonably functional given the size of the country. US patent laws are also enforced and even more functional so anyone selling something in the US no matter where it was produced is subject to them.
The problem with Jebo and warranty has little to do with their products (but yes, some of them just plain suck) and everything to do with distribution channels. Since most people buy them online through an unsanctioned reseller there is no warranty. Just like if you bought a Ford car in a place with no authorized dealer. Ford might have great warranty but it will do absolutely nothing for you if you have nowhere to take the car. Some of their product do have warranty if purchased through official channels. Frankly, almost everything we buy have a warranty since the manufacturer knows it will increase sales and most of us will never use it anyway.
Having said that, I know a guy that bought a Jebo skimmer that didn't work at all on Ebay. He complained to Jebo and they sent him a new one absolutely free of charge. Turns out it was total garbage, but still....lol
As for the example of the magnet mount, this is exactly what patents are not supposed to be for. People have glued powerheads to algae magnets since those came out to be able to easily move them. Someone was clever enough to patent it later on and is now sucking cash out of Hydor.
To clarify, I am in no way saying that Jebo is a great company that makes great stuff. They do make some good items but a lot of the things they make are just plain awful but at least they come with the corresponding price-tag. If I buy a powerhead for $600 I assume that it will last a lifetime and not need to have parts replaced every year (and you all know what part I am talking about
). Parts that cost more than many powerheads. If this is not the case then the manufacturers are not in anyway standing behind their product. Add to this a questionable pricing policy and I am starting to feel like I am being had.
The problem with Jebo and warranty has little to do with their products (but yes, some of them just plain suck) and everything to do with distribution channels. Since most people buy them online through an unsanctioned reseller there is no warranty. Just like if you bought a Ford car in a place with no authorized dealer. Ford might have great warranty but it will do absolutely nothing for you if you have nowhere to take the car. Some of their product do have warranty if purchased through official channels. Frankly, almost everything we buy have a warranty since the manufacturer knows it will increase sales and most of us will never use it anyway.
Having said that, I know a guy that bought a Jebo skimmer that didn't work at all on Ebay. He complained to Jebo and they sent him a new one absolutely free of charge. Turns out it was total garbage, but still....lol
As for the example of the magnet mount, this is exactly what patents are not supposed to be for. People have glued powerheads to algae magnets since those came out to be able to easily move them. Someone was clever enough to patent it later on and is now sucking cash out of Hydor.
To clarify, I am in no way saying that Jebo is a great company that makes great stuff. They do make some good items but a lot of the things they make are just plain awful but at least they come with the corresponding price-tag. If I buy a powerhead for $600 I assume that it will last a lifetime and not need to have parts replaced every year (and you all know what part I am talking about
). Parts that cost more than many powerheads. If this is not the case then the manufacturers are not in anyway standing behind their product. Add to this a questionable pricing policy and I am starting to feel like I am being had.
Ford, the mfg., warrants the product, Jebao, the mfg., does not warranty the product. Ford pays their authorized warranty places for repairs, Jebao does not authorize or support financially any warranty, there is none, they leave it up to the distributor to offer a warranty or not, they do mot care if the distributor pffers a warranty or not. See the difference here, Ford stands behind their product, Jebao does not. There are no sanctioned resellers, there is no warranty from the mfg.
bluereefs
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Personally I dont think Jebao produces those pump at all, in China is very dificult if not imposible, lol, to find who actualy produce something, most of the mass products come from few factorys, and then are selled across the world with different brand sticker. That aplly to China as well to EU/USA company. If you look closer, many aquarium products are the same, only company name/sticker and packaging is different.
There is already few similar pumps on the market, most are almost identical like jebao but is selled under different brand, few days ago I saw similar pumps advertised in Japan under different brand name, for few months there will be probably dozens of those pumps under various brand name and they will get better and better with even lower prices.
Jebao pumps are already sell in Europe in Netherland and for months or two they will be everywhere.
There is already few similar pumps on the market, most are almost identical like jebao but is selled under different brand, few days ago I saw similar pumps advertised in Japan under different brand name, for few months there will be probably dozens of those pumps under various brand name and they will get better and better with even lower prices.
Jebao pumps are already sell in Europe in Netherland and for months or two they will be everywhere.
bluereefs
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are you people sure that Hydor pay to tunze magnet usage? I ask because in EU there is grotech company who sell sun sun jvp pumps with same magnet like Hydor and acording to their prices I dont think they pay anything, also jvp pumps and various similar pumps with the magnet are for sale everywhere in EU last few years and I doubt acording to their prices that they pay magnet usage??
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