My 1000l Fowlr Tank(from China)

[emperior911]

I think coolfish china's tank is really cool looking. Has beautiful fish. They all look heathy. No HLLE, ich or fight marks. There are several reasons why i don't agree with this tank... When i shut my lights off in my tank i watch every fish find a rock and fall asleep in it. With the amount of fish he has in his tank, he'd need so much rock that there wouldn't be ANY swimming room. Do the fish grow? i'm a firm believer that fish grow to the size of there environment. Will the fish be able to max out in this tank? well let's say they do... What would this tank look like if it had all 12"+ fish in this tank? he'd have to find new homes for half the fish.

 

[emperior911]

a 265? what are the dimensions? 72x30x28? i have a 210, and i feel i'm overstocked. i've been told "can't keep a naso in a 210" well i see this guys got a sohal as well.

 

[thor32766]

i have a naso in my 220 along with my other tangs, have had them over 2 yrs and never a single problem. people will have their opionins.

 

[emperior911]

i have a 12" blonde naso in my tank

 

[COOLFISH-CHINA]

I love my fish very much and it will take me 3-4 hours to care them everyday just like to my child, I will "count" them everyday. As they growed up, I will send the fishes which could not adapt my tank to my friends, thanks for all of you guys who are interest with my tank, I will not add any fish to the tank but I will update the photo of the fishes.


BTW: I will build up a new tank for SPS

 

[jitur]

Please FOWLR (Coolfish-china).
You can put more photos of your tank.
Is impressionant.
Congratulations

 

[scaryperson27]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8089723#post8089723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 10810
Great tank COOLFISH
I have pics of “that street” is anyone’s interested?

I'm Interested if you still have the pics

 

[kimha]

In Chicago, I have seen many display tanks from restaurants and shopping malls that have more fish population than this one. But they are well maintained by the professionals weekly and all live stocks look extremely healthy. I personally have many tanks at home ranging from 40g to 300g. I found that if you put in alot of LR to create lots of hiding places, you can not have too many fishes. The fishes would establish their own teritories and fights often. In one of my tanks, I put all the LR in the sump and nothing in the display tank, all the fishes become community fish and they stopped fighting each other. (except for the undulate trigger - he bites everything including my fingers, so he stays in one tank all by himself.)

What ever you read or heard, there is always exceptions. Of course it is best to have the biggest tank with as little fish population as possible. IMO as long as the fishes are happy and healthy, you're still within the boundary. It looks to me Coolfish-China is doing a great job with the maintenance allowing him to keep more fish than people with less maintenance.

 

[clekchau]

kimha i strongly disagree with most of your post.

1. most professional mainteance companies, at least here in dallas understock their aquariums, i have never seen one as overstocked as coolfish china's, except where it is the norm in hong kong, singapore etc etc i guess an exception would be the mirage aquarium in las vegas where they overstock, fish die, they replace them weekly, i talked to one of the maintenance people and that is what they do, obviously the welfare of the fish is not the first priority.

2. yes live rock creates territories but there is not enough live rock in his tank to create territories for all those fish, look at how many angels are there, and if you would put a ton of live rock for territories the fish would have even less room to swim. what he is doing is the locker room effect, kind of like some mbuna tanks.

using your rational, i could keep 50 pitbulls on chains in a small backyard and they would be fine because each has their own space.

by advocating ridiculously overstocking aquariums, you are just advocating the suffering and dismal death of some nice fish. how can you imply he is doing a great job of keeping his fish healthy when the cast of characters are changing, probably weekly unless you meant to say he is doing a great job of switching fish and keeping his new ones healthy

 

[clekchau]

i can't see how anyone could advocate a typical hong kong angelfish aquarium

 

[kimha]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8510620#post8510620 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clekchau
kimha i strongly disagree with most of your post.

1. most professional mainteance companies, at least here in dallas understock their aquariums, i have never seen one as overstocked as coolfish china's, except where it is the norm in hong kong, singapore etc etc i guess an exception would be the mirage aquarium in las vegas where they overstock, fish die, they replace them weekly, i talked to one of the maintenance people and that is what they do, obviously the welfare of the fish is not the first priority.

2. yes live rock creates territories but there is not enough live rock in his tank to create territories for all those fish, look at how many angels are there, and if you would put a ton of live rock for territories the fish would have even less room to swim. what he is doing is the locker room effect, kind of like some mbuna tanks.

using your rational, i could keep 50 pitbulls on chains in a small backyard and they would be fine because each has their own space.

by advocating ridiculously overstocking aquariums, you are just advocating the suffering and dismal death of some nice fish. how can you imply he is doing a great job of keeping his fish healthy when the cast of characters are changing, probably weekly unless you meant to say he is doing a great job of switching fish and keeping his new ones healthy

clekchau - I agreed with you and I am not advocating overstocking aquarium. I think the recommended capacity is something like 1" of fish per gallon of water.

It is best to understocked your aquarium. I am just saying that you may be overstocked a little bit with proper care and maintenance. In my case, my fish would tell me if I am overstocking by showing their health and agressive behavior toward one another . I just bought a 300g tank to make room for them.

Who knows, cool-fish China may have a new post in the near future under the title - My New 2000L tank due to overstocking

 

[clekchau]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8511336#post8511336 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimha
Who knows, cool-fish China may have a new post in the near future under the title - My New 2000L tank due to overstocking

LOL hopefully for the fish's sake

 

[ruiny]

I am not for or against cool-fish
But I find it funny (in a bad way) the way some people are so quick to condem something. And this is true in all areas of life, people feel the most comfort with the things they know and when a new idea or product comes alone there are always some people that will be the nay sayers.

But in this case since we are all experts on marine fish behavior and psycology that we can say from around the world from a few still shots (web cam didn't work for me) that his fish are un happy.
Lets all drive him off the board.

Why is it done that way? Because we always do it that way.
unfortanatly not a very good moto to live by. But much more common than we would like to think.

Mabye he is onto something different and we should learn.

The flip side is if fish are dieing and if there are health problems,or any other reason that the system is not working, then the negative responces are fair.
But I love fish and want as many in my tank as I can without causing adverse affects.

End Rant

 

[ediaz]

How come this does not make tank of the month!! Huh?!

Guys , they are just fish, you never gone fishing?, i think they die when you pull them out...

Ed

 

[saltyfishy123]

On the first couple pic what does the compaq computer do im sure you moded it but what does it do LOL.

 

[jacmyoung]

Another thing to consider is in many other parts of the world, living spaces are more limited than in the US. It is not possible to have a 500g tank at one corner of the house to host large fish. If fish are healthy and happy why not?

However as nice as this tank and livestock are it does look too crowded and unnatural, but then beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I remember visiting a dorm room at a university in China when I was on a business trip, they had 6 freshman students in a single room stacked with four bunk beds with spare space good only for a desk. Definitely "overstocked" but they all seemed very bright and forward looking kids.

 

[clekchau]

yeah they are just fish, who cares about their welfare all you have to do is go buy another one when one dies...

and comparing college kids sleeping in a dorm to an overcrowded aquarium is the worst analogy i've read/heard in awhile rofl there is a huge difference..... the kids can actually venture OUTSIDE their little dorm!

 

[jacmyoung]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8522440#post8522440 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clekchau
yeah they are just fish, who cares about their welfare all you have to do is go buy another one when one dies...

and comparing college kids sleeping in a dorm to an overcrowded aquarium is the worst analogy i've read/heard in awhile rofl there is a huge difference..... the kids can actually venture OUTSIDE their little dorm!

Fish in the wild has the ocean to venture out, none of them can do so in a tank, overstocked or not. Who is to say you are the more humane kind?

As said earlier, when it comes to fish in a tank, the only things you can measure are fish's health and lifespan, whether in your opinion they are overstocked or not is not relevant because from a fish point of view it is the equivalent of solitary confinement period.

Unless you have proof overcrowding always leads to poor health and short lived fish no matter how advanced a system one has and how well the system is maintained...

 

[clekchau]

there is a difference between keeping a fish in an aquarium where they have enough room to establish a territory and live a long, healthy life compared to cramming as many fish as you can into a tank where they can barely turn around without bumping into another fish, if you can't comprehend that i don't know what else to tell you

and you think there is no proof that overcrowding leads to poor health and short lived fish? just look at his pictures, do you notice something.... no picture has the same stocking list, the fist are interchanged, probably on a weekly basis, if that's good husbandry and fishkeeping, i need to get out of the hobby

 

[jacmyoung]

If you insist fish have room to establish a territory in order to be acceptable, you can pretty much write off most all public aquariums as inhumane. The most popular tanks are often those with hundreds of fish on a feeding frenzy.

BTW, the owner of this thread apparently had gone to length to setup a system to handle a tank with heavy fish load. Whether his effort was successful or worth a while in the long run is debatable, but the effort he put in demonstrated to me he cared for his pets more than maybe 95% of the hobbyists I have seen.

If you want to be so critical, how about showing us your way of keeping fish for a change. Now that may shut me up very quickly.