My experience with advice from other hobbyists.

dude, he obviously knows what's up. he's been watching these fish for two weeks. TWO WEEKS man! that's like... 14 days or something. what more do you want? :lolspin:

to the OP. please do come back regularly and update us. i'm posting here to mark this thread, so it keeps coming up in my feed. i can't wait to see how this one turns out.

the advice you receive here, in most cases, is backed by substantial observational, anecdotal, and in many cases excellent scientific evidence. but obviously you know better. this is not an atypical post from someone who has not been in the hobby very long, happens all the time, but i'm going to warn you, it will come to bite you.

i've ignored plenty of advice myself, and it seems OK for a while, but trust me, it catches up with you.

I wouldn't count on it, these types of threads never get updated. :lmao:
 
HaleyF... Don't get frustrated when the inevitable happens. We all did it in one form or another. Maybe we didn't have a world wide forum to display our inexperience, but we did it. Maybe we would have learned faster if back in the day our failures had been more public. Good luck.
 
To the OP, good luck. I really mean that! The experience of others might not apply in your tank. As is often said, "All fish are different'.

I have found it wise to NEVER trust the LFS. Some are better than others, some employees are better than others, but they are in business to sell. If they sell you a fish and in a couple + years it gets big enough to eat all the other fish, they will be happy to sell you more. It's what they are there for! The good stores will try to educate you, but if you want to buy they won't stop you.

Caveat emptor, don't you know... :)

My lfs has a panther grouper for sale - cute little bugger - about 2". They often have them. I wonder how many large predator tanks there are in my small town?
 
I had been watching the clown tang in the LFS for 2 weeks and was told his history before purchasing him.

Im not sure what Haleyf1024 was told about the history of this fish, but I can tell you about it. Its location was Fiji. And it was swimming on a reef somewhere in the South Pacific Ocean, before it was snatched out of the water and sent to a LFS for two weeks.

I can also foretell its future. It will be dead very soon.

One thing Ive learned about this hobby its theres not very many exceptions to the rule with small tanks. Sometimes with large tanks if you don't get too crazy. But live Aquaria Rates a Clown Tang at minimum 250 gallons. Expert only.
I hope you are the exception.
 
2 Clown Tangs!

I really have nothing to add that has not already been said. And said. And said. Not just in this thread, but in countless others just like it.

I wish you the best of luck!
 
Hello everyone! I just wanted to share my experience so far versus what I have been told. I already know I will get a lot of hate from this, but oh well. First off, clown tangs. I saw one in the LFS. It was sweeter and more personable than the koles, yellows, and most of the clownfish that they had. I had done research on them and saw that people think/have experience with them being the spawn of satan and that they need huge tanks. I saw quite a few websites that said only 75-100 gallon tanks, I have a 110. The worker mentioned that each fish is different and that this one had been in the 20/30 gallon sale tank for almost a month with zero aggression towards his shrimp and other fish tank mates. I bought him. Later that day I was buying cleaner shrimp from another hobbyist who also happened to have a purple tang for sale. I had seen the same response to these fish online- they can become spawns of satan. I bought him to. The tangs met through the bag, and were eyeballing each other. When I released the purple (clown tang was already in tank) they introduced themselves and have been inseparable ever since.
I was also warned that marine bettas are extremely difficult to get to eat and that small fish/shrimp will become dinner. I bought a 4-5" MB and he eats anything I give him, from frozen brine, frozen mysis, frozen shrimp and krill, to freeze dried krill. He also hasn't touched my sexy shrimp, hermits, or cleaner shrimp. He isn't shy and actually is almost always within sight.
And finally, the valentini puffer and the blue-green chromis. I have 3 chromis, none fight, kill each other, etc that I was warned about on RC. Many people also had bad experiences with the valentini eating CUC and picking at small organisms in Their reefs. Mine has been a model citizen and hasn't even looked at my snails and hermits (some of which are less than 1/4 and inch long.) Honestly, my female clownfish is 100 times more aggressive than the tangs and chromis and my mandarin (who is fat, eating well!!) eyeballs the crabs more than the puffer.
Have I just gotten lucky every single time, or has anyone else had similar experiences? My fish are bot aggressive toward one another at all and are all fat and happy. (Should any mysteriously become aggressive, too big, or distressed in the tank, they will be rehomed to my friends 300 gallon or to the LFS).

I partially agree with you. The fact is that this place is a wealth of knowledge, with so many good ideas and information floating about. It is amazing.

The problem is those knowledge floats amongst ten times more bad or misguided statements. And that is the issue. Go into many threads, and you'd see such varied suggestions that it is confounding how only a few amongst them could be true.

Everybody has their own experiences, everybody has their own beliefs.

The issue is a lot of what is suggested is based on anecdotal ideas, or from websites that may not know what they are talking about, or from wrong conclusions drawn from experience.

That is where the issue lies.

I am siding with you on this one, because whilst most are more so in agreement with stuff like equipments, stock is another thing altogether.

We are keeping live animals, and in the end, so little is truly understood about them. So it could be that whilst everyone believe something, it doesn't have to be true.

So many people told me that different species of Clownfish cannot mix. This is [profanity] of course, because otherwise we wouldn't get all those hybrids. -.- More importantly, I mixed Clownfish anyways, and they are buddies.

Yes, you may only have had these fish for two weeks, but that doesn't discount the fact that they are getting along.

I've also been warned that a Regal Tang is very likely to succumb to ich. And that a Citron Goby is extremely hard to ween on pellets. Neither is true in my case.

So yeah the thing is, just remember it is what it is. Advice is just advice. They come from people like you and me, who may not see the whole picture. Who probably actually don't, to be honest.

You may be able to keep all those fish together for a year, two years, or more. Then tell others that it can be done.

They try it but they fail, for whatever reason.

They tell someone else it is impossible, and don't listen to lies.

That someone else don't give a crap, and who knows, maybe knows more about the biology and ecology of fish than others, and can make it work - perhaps even better than you did.

And so on and so on.

This hobby is just full of advice from personal experience that got translated into 'this must be done', 'that can't be done', 'you will absolutely fail', 'you are definitely succeed'. Some of those will be true, some won't.

*Shrugs*

Just the way this hobby works.
 
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He set up his 110G seven days ago. That's a whole lot of experience.

wait! what???

All these posts and no one has even called out our budding reefing expert for not QTing those brand new fish

it's ok. the lfs probably qt'ed them. no worries. ;)

I wouldn't count on it, these types of threads never get updated. :lmao:

so true!

They come from people like you and me,

yeah. i'm pretty sure i won't be taking advice from either one of you. :rolleye1:
 
truth is a clown and purple tang may coexist in a 110 g for many years without any issues. some people may see that as successful others may not.
 
yeah. i'm pretty sure i won't be taking advice from either one of you. :rolleye1:

Actually yeah, exactly that. My advice too, comes from my own experience, beliefs and research.

Everyone here is giving advice based on their own experiences, and that may be right or wrong. Simple as that.

So don't take advice from me if you don't want to, that's cool. Though technically if you take this advice to not take advice from me then you'd be taking my advice lol. XD
 
I partially agree with you. The fact is that this place is a wealth of knowledge, with so many good ideas and information floating about. It is amazing.

The problem is those knowledge floats amongst ten times more bad or misguided statements. And that is the issue. Go into many threads, and you'd see such varied suggestions that it is confounding how only a few amongst them could be true.

Everybody has their own experiences, everybody has their own beliefs.

The issue is a lot of what is suggested is based on anecdotal ideas, or from websites that may not know what they are talking about, or from wrong conclusions drawn from experience.

That is where the issue lies.

I am siding with you on this one, because whilst most are more so in agreement with stuff like equipments, stock is another thing altogether.

We are keeping live animals, and in the end, so little is truly understood about them. So it could be that whilst everyone believe something, it doesn't have to be true.

So many people told me that different species of Clownfish cannot mix. This is [profanity] of course, because otherwise we wouldn't get all those hybrids. -.- More importantly, I mixed Clownfish anyways, and they are buddies.

Yes, you may only have had these fish for two weeks, but that doesn't discount the fact that they are getting along.

I've also been warned that a Regal Tang is very likely to succumb to ich. And that a Citron Goby is extremely hard to ween on pellets. Neither is true in my case.

So yeah the thing is, just remember it is what it is. Advice is just advice. They come from people like you and me, who may not see the whole picture. Who probably actually don't, to be honest.

You may be able to keep all those fish together for a year, two years, or more. Then tell others that it can be done.

They try it but they fail, for whatever reason.

They tell someone else it is impossible, and don't listen to lies.

That someone else don't give a crap, and who knows, maybe knows more about the biology and ecology of fish than others, and can make it work - perhaps even better than you did.

And so on and so on.

This hobby is just full of advice from personal experience that got translated into 'this must be done', 'that can't be done', 'you will absolutely fail', 'you are definitely succeed'. Some of those will be true, some won't.

*Shrugs*

Just the way this hobby works.

Spoken like somebody with very little experience with salt water marine fish let alone the fish in question. Not to mention this tank is only weeks old.

Some of us place a higher value on the life of a fish than just an ornament in a tank. As such, we try to provide the best care for such fish by not gambling with their lives while experimenting them or keeping them in conditions that are not suitable to their size or needs. You sound like somebody who would rather experiment with the lives of your fish than follow well documented guidelines backed experienced marine keepers worldwide. SMH. :rolleyes:

You too will learn the hard way and I'd expect your longevity in this hobby will shorter than you expect if not costlier than it should have been.
 
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Spoken like somebody with very little experience with salt water marine fish let alone the fish in question. Not to mention this tank is only weeks old.

Some of us place a higher value on the life of a fish than just an ornament in a tank. As such, we try to provide the best care for such fish by not gambling with their lives while experimenting them or keeping them in conditions that are not suitable to their size or needs. You sound like somebody who would rather experiment with the lives of your fish than follow well documented guidelines backed experienced marine keepers worldwide. SMH. :rolleyes:

You too will learn the hard way and I'd expect your longevity in this hobby will shorter than you expect if not costlier than it should have been.

Well said
 
There will always be people that think they can make anything work, no matter what experience says. The downside is obviously animals' suffering. If something fails in 96% of the times it's tried, the 4% of times it works does not indicate success to me.
 
All those big fish in a little tank will work just fine
Just like putting 50 prisoners in a tiny cell will work fine

Until it doesn't.
 
Wow, OP was completely destroyed in this thread. OP is obviously very new to this, and like anyone new, made some poor choices and no doubt overconfident about his ability to "beat the odds". To an experienced person, the mistakes appear so obvious, but again, this is a new person to the hobby. The reason I rarely post to these forums is it is like almost any other internet board - destroy the n00b rather than try to teach and move the hobby forward.

Probably not a popular sentiment, so flame away. My two cents.
 
His hubris and blatant arrogant disregard for any well thought out, and in many cases canonical, advice is what the drew the ire. Not the fact that he was new.

I would be willing to bet that had he started by asking why these choices are considered poor ones, the response would have been much different.

But when you burst in with little experience and antipathy towards established principles, you risk getting checked.
 
His hubris and blatant arrogant disregard for any well thought out, and in many cases canonical, advice is what the drew the ire. Not the fact that he was new.

I would be willing to bet that had he started by asking why these choices are considered poor ones, the response would have been much different.

But when you burst in with little experience and antipathy towards established principles, you risk getting checked.

In a nutshell. Well said.
 
i know these are odd comparisons but every time i see a thread where somebody thinks it's ok to push the limits with stocking a tank, i am reminded of why i have 2 rescued great danes and 3 rescued pot bellied pigs. over and over, i have tried to pound it into people that the cute little piglet that now weighs 7# will eventually grow to 90# plus, it will outgrow the little playpen you plan to put it in and then you are left with an animal that nobody wants. and that cute little great dane puppy with the big floppy ears will be 100# before the year is up and yes, they eat a lot and knock your kids down and chew holes in your couch big enough to hide a buick in.

to me, housing fish in inappropriate tanks is no different than keeping a 90# pig in a playpen or a 100# dog in a tiny laundry room. it isn't fair to the animal whether it has bristles, fur or scales. period! these are living creatures that, when we decide to keep them, deserve every bit of respect we can give them. torture shouldn't be an option.

end of rant.
 
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