AquariumSpecialty
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will do Travis.
my house reef (211 g.)
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messy1messmer
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TryTheChi
Thanks for the info. couple of question.
1. What is TPIM?
2. If i am using biodigest and biotim are you saying adding a zeo reactor with zeolith would be really good or what would be the best combo to bye too do this right. prodibio has had some great bennifits but also some negitives.
3. i have a DSB but when i move my tank next month i would like to get rid of some of the sand.
I know it might be a nono to tell me what works best because of sponcers. PM me if you want. Thank you for the help and your opinion is great.
Thanks for the info. couple of question.
1. What is TPIM?
2. If i am using biodigest and biotim are you saying adding a zeo reactor with zeolith would be really good or what would be the best combo to bye too do this right. prodibio has had some great bennifits but also some negitives.
3. i have a DSB but when i move my tank next month i would like to get rid of some of the sand.
I know it might be a nono to tell me what works best because of sponcers. PM me if you want. Thank you for the help and your opinion is great.
skeeter-doc
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does anyone have any pics of their tank from using this stuff? I am wanting to turn my tank over to it, but want to make sure the hassle is worth it
TryTheChi
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Hi Scott - great to hear others are thinking along similar lines, and look forward to progress reports.
I wondered about sintered glass - however when I used it 15 years ago - little bits would rub off if there was much friction which there would be in a zeo type reactor - whats your take on the effect of the glass on corals? Would certainly be risky for human ingestion.
Should be very interesting......
AquariumSpecialty
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Sorry I'm not farmiliar with the glass you are referring to.
melev
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It seems to be some kind of filtration.
"In sintered glass crucibles, the same effect is achieved by glass fibers that are randomly arranged within an amorphous (randomly organized on the microscopic level) disk of solid glass."
This is the page I found more info on:
http://www.chem.ubc.ca/courseware/154/tutorials/exp4A/crufilt/
AquariumSpecialty
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I plan to try siporax. I will let you know how it goes...
skeeter-doc
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please forgive my incompetance, ...
1) an ampoule is one little packet correct?
2) a whole packet is to dose up to 1,000 Liters? but I thought it was bad to overdose this stuff, so what if you only have like a 30 gal tank?
3) wont a skimmer remove some of the BioDigest before it is all used?
4) is it better to use on an existing tank, or an older mature tank?
Sorry again, but I am trying to understand all this before starting to use it, ...
1) an ampoule is one little packet correct?
2) a whole packet is to dose up to 1,000 Liters? but I thought it was bad to overdose this stuff, so what if you only have like a 30 gal tank?
3) wont a skimmer remove some of the BioDigest before it is all used?
4) is it better to use on an existing tank, or an older mature tank?
Sorry again, but I am trying to understand all this before starting to use it, ...
skeeter-doc
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also, does this methodology only apply to SPS corals? or will soft corals and polyps also benefit?
TryTheChi
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Hi Steve
TPIM is a vial of vitamins minerals and carbon that is designed to promote bacterial growth from Bio Digest. Very roughly it would be the equivalent of ZEOfood 7 and ZEO start2, although Iwan used zeostart in addition.
In using zeolite in a zeoreactor but dosing Diagest and TPIM - I think the same cautions would apply as using ZB4 or the FM equivalent. ie get the flow rate through the reactor no more than 400lrs/hr per 1 ltr of zeolites, and use only 1 ltr of zeolites per 400ltrs net volume - half that in the first instance. The risk to manage here is that the zeolites can strip out nutrients too fast in an established tank for sps to adapt to, risking rtn. If using a daily carbon source such as zeostart2 or vodka, this can also accelerate bac growth V quickly, again causing rtn potentially. Its all about the starting slow and titrating upwards.
Interesting that you are planning to take out the DSB. I went the opposite way - finding that by adding a dsb, I could avoid excessive lightening of the corals. Other zeolite users get good results with BB though. If its an old sand bed with plenty of sequestered nutrients, taking it out slowly after you have established a good back colony in the zeoreactor could help things along faster. Iwan changed 20% of his dsb every 6 months IIRC.
This isnt a sponsored thread - so I hope we can share our experiences without fear or favor: (? mods ?) Personally I have got better results from straight zeo, but I think there is a lot of potential in what Scott is experimenting with, so will be interesting to see. Gary - mesocosm - also seems to be quite optimistic in relation to an inert medium in a zeoreactor - if I understand him correctly.
The areas where Prodi scores higher for me are in the dose and forget features which will obviously benefit some - and the bacs may be better stored in nitrogen rather than oxygen in the fridge (?)
Both are great systems though IME
Cheers
Simon
messy1messmer
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Is it true you can overdose those biodigest and biotim. i know a few pages back on this thread it says that you shouldnt overdose that stuff
messy1messmer
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would it safe to use 1 ample of digest on my 120 total water and 3 biotim
ROR
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I've been dosing 1 Biodigest and 2 Bioptim every 2 weeks in my 72G for 6 months now. Biodigest is only a "seed colony" for your bacteria. Populations of bacteria in your aquarium are already many time greater than what is in a vial of digest.
If you are worried about the effects of adding a whole vial, then only add 1/2 and throw the rest away, then if you have no problems add 1 vial the next dose.
Bioptim is another story. Be careful starting out with your dosage. Definitely start with a half dose and work up from there over a month or two, especially if your tank has high nitrates or is dirty (mulm buildup in the sand bed etc.)
Prodibio is very mild compared to other bacteria systems. Don't expect overnight results. It took 3 months to get my nitrate reading undetectable from a reading of .2 to .5
Rob
If you are worried about the effects of adding a whole vial, then only add 1/2 and throw the rest away, then if you have no problems add 1 vial the next dose.
Bioptim is another story. Be careful starting out with your dosage. Definitely start with a half dose and work up from there over a month or two, especially if your tank has high nitrates or is dirty (mulm buildup in the sand bed etc.)
Prodibio is very mild compared to other bacteria systems. Don't expect overnight results. It took 3 months to get my nitrate reading undetectable from a reading of .2 to .5
Rob
AquariumSpecialty
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Thanks for the heads up on the siporax. I haven't used this particular product yet or ordered it and I'm still learning some things about the Sera product line. When I saw the sales info on its capabilities I got the idea to give it a try with prodi. It may or may not be a good idea but it's just an idea at this point.
skeeter-doc
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wow, there is so much t learn, ... where do I begin?
