Deinonych
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My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...
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Johnseye
Reef Addict
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Has anyone verified whether live pods, rotifers or brine can survive in a CP bath? I'm considering feeding some fish in QT live food and am using CP.
Do you prefer API General Cure over Prazipro?
Has anyone verified whether live pods, rotifers or brine can survive in a CP bath? I'm considering feeding some fish in QT live food and am using CP.
Do you prefer API General Cure over Prazipro?
Yes; IME it mixes better with CP than using Prazipro. The Oxybispropanol found in the latter will almost always cause a bacterial bloom if mixed with CP.
Shotter
New member
CP with other treatments
CP with other treatments
Hi,
I'm about to embark on my CP journey after much advice and reading. I'm keen to know, can this be used with any other treatments such as Prazipro and Maracyn Two.
History;
I have taken all my fish out of my reef to allow a fallow period and from the ich or velvet I had, only one is left. I'm mainly using the CP but will continue to follow the protocol for QT'ing my new fish.
Also, how long do the fish need to be exposed to CP to ensure the ICH is gone. Currently, the fish is not showing signs of disease, the QT tank is bare bottomed
And no rock, a small artificial feature for some cover. The fish has been in the QT for 4 weeks now.
CP with other treatments
Hi,
I'm about to embark on my CP journey after much advice and reading. I'm keen to know, can this be used with any other treatments such as Prazipro and Maracyn Two.
History;
I have taken all my fish out of my reef to allow a fallow period and from the ich or velvet I had, only one is left. I'm mainly using the CP but will continue to follow the protocol for QT'ing my new fish.
Also, how long do the fish need to be exposed to CP to ensure the ICH is gone. Currently, the fish is not showing signs of disease, the QT tank is bare bottomed
And no rock, a small artificial feature for some cover. The fish has been in the QT for 4 weeks now.
Johnseye
Reef Addict
The DT isn't fallow if a fish is in it.
If you're using the Ich Shield variant of CP then 21 days.
You can use it with the medications you mentioned but look at the previous reply to my question. Prazipro causes a bacterial bloom with CP.
Shotter
New member
Some reassurance.
Some reassurance.
Being in the Uk, it's tough to get some of the products mentioned (we actually have some control over medication here
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So, I have CP. I'm about to buy SeaChem metronidazole for flukes and worms and Maracyn two for bacterial. Can these all be used at the same time? Is it fair to assume you run the CP alone until the last ten days then add the metronidazole then add the Maracyn in the last 5 days?
My LFS was not happy about the idea of mixing products. Then again, I bent his mind telling him I'd be using CP.
Ps, my CP is pharma grade human drugs
Some reassurance.
Being in the Uk, it's tough to get some of the products mentioned (we actually have some control over medication here
)So, I have CP. I'm about to buy SeaChem metronidazole for flukes and worms and Maracyn two for bacterial. Can these all be used at the same time? Is it fair to assume you run the CP alone until the last ten days then add the metronidazole then add the Maracyn in the last 5 days?
My LFS was not happy about the idea of mixing products. Then again, I bent his mind telling him I'd be using CP.
Ps, my CP is pharma grade human drugs
Shotter
New member
Thanks man
Thanks man
Having some real issues sourcing this stuff still. Can only get SeaChem Metro from France!
Now looking at an off the shelf NT Labs worm and fluke treatment, CP for velvet and ich and then Maracyn if needed afterwards if the fish is showing signs of bacterial issues. I've read some contradicting advice; do use a bacterial treatment in QT as well as; only use after CP and a wormer if needed.
The minefield continues.
Thanks man
Having some real issues sourcing this stuff still. Can only get SeaChem Metro from France!
Now looking at an off the shelf NT Labs worm and fluke treatment, CP for velvet and ich and then Maracyn if needed afterwards if the fish is showing signs of bacterial issues. I've read some contradicting advice; do use a bacterial treatment in QT as well as; only use after CP and a wormer if needed.
The minefield continues.
Deinonych
New member
Shotter
New member
Thanks guys
Thanks guys
Hey, one week into the CP, things are going well. I've made a solution of salt water with the correct level of CP in so I'm able to water change my QT tank.
So, now I'm looking at dealing with potential flukes and worms. I'm going to use NT Labs fluke and worm treatment which is Flubendazole. I know that Prazi can be mixed but we just can't get that here. Has anyone mixed this wormer with CP?
Thanks guys
Hey, one week into the CP, things are going well. I've made a solution of salt water with the correct level of CP in so I'm able to water change my QT tank.
So, now I'm looking at dealing with potential flukes and worms. I'm going to use NT Labs fluke and worm treatment which is Flubendazole. I know that Prazi can be mixed but we just can't get that here. Has anyone mixed this wormer with CP?
elgringodiablo
New member
So, after having a major outbreak of either velvet or a really gnarly strain of ick (suffered 70% losses), I moved all my fish to QT.
After seeing some flashing behavior I decided to treat with directed dose of CP (NLS Ich Shield).
Had one flasher wrasse react poorly, so I transferred to another QT and did a fresh water dip. He died shortly after the dip, so I think the stress is what killed him, but the CP likely would have.
This morning I noticed my other flasher wrasse and hippo tang looking pretty weak. If they are still alive when I get home from work, probably move them to the other QT and try cupramine once they've regained their strength.
Pretty positive that CP is not compatible with hippo tangs or flasher wrasses as a rule. Not sure if any treatment that can take care of Ich and or velvet is viable for flasher wrasses. Heard stories about TTM killing them as well.
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After seeing some flashing behavior I decided to treat with directed dose of CP (NLS Ich Shield).
Had one flasher wrasse react poorly, so I transferred to another QT and did a fresh water dip. He died shortly after the dip, so I think the stress is what killed him, but the CP likely would have.
This morning I noticed my other flasher wrasse and hippo tang looking pretty weak. If they are still alive when I get home from work, probably move them to the other QT and try cupramine once they've regained their strength.
Pretty positive that CP is not compatible with hippo tangs or flasher wrasses as a rule. Not sure if any treatment that can take care of Ich and or velvet is viable for flasher wrasses. Heard stories about TTM killing them as well.
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Khazmodain
Member
I am very interested in this as well. I am planning to utilize CP as a prophylactic treatment in my quarantine routine. Several wrasses and a blue hippo are on my stocking list so I'm wondering if there's an alternative routine to follow with them. I don't know that I've heard many issues with hippos in copper, however, I thought the wrasses that have issues with CP also have issues with copper.
Johnseye
Reef Addict
TTM will not kill anything. All you're doing is moving a fish from one tank to another. That move is minor stress compared to everything else. What could kill the fish is any other variable.
We need to be careful when assigning the cause of death to any one thing whether that be TTM or CP. Ich Shield itself is a Chinese made pharmaceutical. It's level of purity is in question. I trust it as much as an eBay version. If you want good CP talk to your vet and get a prescription. Copper has its own issues.
You also need to consider the stage of the parasites, or whatever. Maybe nothing could have saved the fish. Some parasites or bacteria move very fast.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
National fish Pharmaceutical sells quality CP that isn't made in China. They also supply most zoos and aquariums with their meds. NLS ich shield is very cheap in comparison with most others who sell CP and that should be a red flag to most that the quality is lacking. I personally just received a kilo of CP from NFP, because I don't trust NLS anymore
did you speak to the folks at NFP and they told you that? if so, that's very curious. when I inquired, i was told they resell from fishman and fishman confirmed they source their CP from China. even their quality certificate states it is done by fishmann. I wouldn't trust my any of my fish to treatment of suspect CP from these sources given all the issues folks are having with CP from NFP and fishman in the past.
best bet is to get a script and get a US of Canada facility to fill it with CP of known origin with certificate of analysis on that particular batch.
