My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...

I was assured that the CP they had did not originate from China (the only reason I purchased from them), but who knows anymore what you can believe or who you can trust... The CP from them is working, unlike the NLS CP I have. My Vet doesn't want to write a Rx for Chloroquine for 500g of it like I want, I also don't want Chloroquine in pill form with other binders present. I do agree 100% that getting it from Canada is the best source, I just have to find another vet that will write me a Rx for a large amount
 
Just wanted to give back to the community by sharing my experience. It was this actual thread that I got most of my information from.

I’ve been in the hobby for 16 months now. It all started months ago when I lost an Ocellaris clownfish to an exposed HOB skimmer intake during a tank upgrade from 20 gallon to 46 gallon (I only had a pair of clownfish at the time). After that I bought a couple corals (no dipping) before attempting to add juvenile clownfish to pair with my existing clownfish. Fast forward a bit, I’ve lost a total of 3 juvenile clownfish. My one original remaining clownfish seemed unfazed and healthy. My inexperience blamed my skimmer intake, water quality/acclimation, and powerhead. The first I bought was also sucked in the skimmer intake (thought the first time was a fluke so after this bought a strainer to guard intake), the second I found near the tank floor lifeless, the third I found stuck to the side of a powerhead. All these clownfish looked and acted odd almost as soon as I added to the tank and right up to their deaths. Again, due to inexperience, I had no concern until it was too late. To this day, I still don’t know how exactly my tank got the deadly disease.

Researching led to Ich…which led to Brooklynella…which led to Velvet. I didn’t think it was Brooklynella as I did not witness a mucous trail. All evidence of what I seen pointed to Velvet; loss of appetite, erratic swimming, acting reclusive, swimming into the flow of a powerhead (unique to Velvet), and death within 24 hours. I also seen the velvety, fine sugar sprinkled skin. Along with the velvety fine sugar sprinkled looking skin, if you think of fish fried how brittle the skin looks; the skin began looking like that. I then realized that my one live clownfish I had all this time was immune to Velvet. Just because she was alive and well, didn’t mean others I add will be as well. Something was clearly killing the new fish and it was up to me to stop it.

Out of the know treatments, I was drawn to Chloroquine Phosphate (or CP) as it treats Ich, Velvet, Brooklynella, (and Uronema); so basically anything I most likely have. I set up a HT/QT made up of a Sterilite 68 litre bin, heater, temperature controller, Ammonia badge, pvc pieces, sponge filter, and 10 gallons of disease infected display water (to be treated with CP). I bought 25 grams of CP from ebay through seller jweage. CP is supposedly 99.9% pure. I also requested the certificate of analysis from lab. I was fully aware that there were mixed results using ebay CP.

As soon as I set up the HT, using a digital scale, I used exactly .38 grams of CP for 10 gallons of water. I added my immune clownfish to the HT to medicate. I had a lid for the bin so didn’t have to worry about evaporation, top off water, or denature of CP due to UV light. My clownfish seemed fine in the dark bin aside from ambient light during feeding time. My clownfish was to stay in the HT for 25 days (3-4 weeks) and tank to remain fallow for 76 days, to get of Ich as well if I had. Why not?

After 25 days, I began doing daily 5 gallon RO/DI saltwater changes to dilute the CP in my HT. Days following I also bought a freshwater Black Molly to do the fallow disease test. A week later, the Molly was still well and healthy, so in my opinion, treatment was a success! My clownfish was free of disease! It is to note: I read that CP will tint the water yellow/brown which I can confirm when compared to clean saltwater during the water change. I was surprised to see the different color as I didn’t notice this in the dark colored HT bin.

Immediately following, I came across Ocellaris Snowflake Clownfishes I just had to have. I sold my one clownfish to get 2 snowflakes. My 2 snowflakes were prophylactically treated in CP for 25 days while the tank fallowed for the remaining weeks. The Black Molly was moved to its own “fish bowl” with air stone, awaiting its mission to test the display tank water when done the 76 day fallow.

Days approaching day 76, I started doing water changes on the Black Molly using display tank water. Day 76, Black Molly is well and healthy. I treated Ich, Brook, and Velvet. Good enough for me! I put the snowflake pair into the display tank.

Today marks day 2 after the 76 day fallow and both my snowflake pair is doing well; swimming, eating, exploring. I considered keeping the Black Molly with the clownfish but feared they would bully him, so currently keep in QT until needed next. I will definitely QT everything from now on…EVERYTHING.

As you can see, I’ve learned so much and try my best to educate others and help when I can. Member posts that stood out: b0bab0ey, alprazo, and HumbleFish. Thank you all.
 
I was assured that the CP they had did not originate from China (the only reason I purchased from them), but who knows anymore what you can believe or who you can trust... The CP from them is working, unlike the NLS CP I have. My Vet doesn't want to write a Rx for Chloroquine for 500g of it like I want, I also don't want Chloroquine in pill form with other binders present. I do agree 100% that getting it from Canada is the best source, I just have to find another vet that will write me a Rx for a large amount
so odd. you were assured by someone at NFP? I can look up the name of the gentleman that has spoken to two of my reefer friends and myself that confirmed they source from china if any help. to get so much and have it be an issue down the road is worrisome even if it appears to be working initially. you can get your rx filled by a compounding facility in powder form. yes, finding a vet to write it can be the most troublesome, I agree. g'luck sir - the things we do for our animals!
 
Just wanted to give back to the community by sharing my experience. It was this actual thread that I got most of my information from.

I've been in the hobby for 16 months now. It all started months ago when I lost an Ocellaris clownfish to an exposed HOB skimmer intake during a tank upgrade from 20 gallon to 46 gallon .

Not knowing what else you had in the tank why didn't you clean the whole tank out, sterilize it, dry it out and put the livestock back after treating them? That would have taken a lot less time.
 
so odd. you were assured by someone at NFP? I can look up the name of the gentleman that has spoken to two of my reefer friends and myself that confirmed they source from china if any help. to get so much and have it be an issue down the road is worrisome even if it appears to be working initially. you can get your rx filled by a compounding facility in powder form. yes, finding a vet to write it can be the most troublesome, I agree. g'luck sir - the things we do for our animals!

I only purchased the kilo because it was the most cost effective way to buy it... I'm not sure who it was I talked to on the phone (a guy) about the CP but I'm not very happy to say the least. Looks like its back to vet searching for me. The things we do for our animals indeed! I have far too much money, time and effort into this hobby to fail:fun2:
 
Just wanted to give back to the community by sharing my experience. It was this actual thread that I got most of my information from.

I've been in the hobby for 16 months now. It all started months ago when I lost an Ocellaris clownfish to an exposed HOB skimmer intake during a tank upgrade from 20 gallon to 46 gallon (I only had a pair of clownfish at the time). After that I bought a couple corals (no dipping) before attempting to add juvenile clownfish to pair with my existing clownfish. Fast forward a bit, I've lost a total of 3 juvenile clownfish. My one original remaining clownfish seemed unfazed and healthy. My inexperience blamed my skimmer intake, water quality/acclimation, and powerhead. The first I bought was also sucked in the skimmer intake (thought the first time was a fluke so after this bought a strainer to guard intake), the second I found near the tank floor lifeless, the third I found stuck to the side of a powerhead. All these clownfish looked and acted odd almost as soon as I added to the tank and right up to their deaths. Again, due to inexperience, I had no concern until it was too late. To this day, I still don't know how exactly my tank got the deadly disease.

Researching led to Ich"¦which led to Brooklynella"¦which led to Velvet. I didn't think it was Brooklynella as I did not witness a mucous trail. All evidence of what I seen pointed to Velvet; loss of appetite, erratic swimming, acting reclusive, swimming into the flow of a powerhead (unique to Velvet), and death within 24 hours. I also seen the velvety, fine sugar sprinkled skin. Along with the velvety fine sugar sprinkled looking skin, if you think of fish fried how brittle the skin looks; the skin began looking like that. I then realized that my one live clownfish I had all this time was immune to Velvet. Just because she was alive and well, didn't mean others I add will be as well. Something was clearly killing the new fish and it was up to me to stop it.

Out of the know treatments, I was drawn to Chloroquine Phosphate (or CP) as it treats Ich, Velvet, Brooklynella, (and Uronema); so basically anything I most likely have. I set up a HT/QT made up of a Sterilite 68 litre bin, heater, temperature controller, Ammonia badge, pvc pieces, sponge filter, and 10 gallons of disease infected display water (to be treated with CP). I bought 25 grams of CP from ebay through seller jweage. CP is supposedly 99.9% pure. I also requested the certificate of analysis from lab. I was fully aware that there were mixed results using ebay CP.

As soon as I set up the HT, using a digital scale, I used exactly .38 grams of CP for 10 gallons of water. I added my immune clownfish to the HT to medicate. I had a lid for the bin so didn't have to worry about evaporation, top off water, or denature of CP due to UV light. My clownfish seemed fine in the dark bin aside from ambient light during feeding time. My clownfish was to stay in the HT for 25 days (3-4 weeks) and tank to remain fallow for 76 days, to get of Ich as well if I had. Why not?

After 25 days, I began doing daily 5 gallon RO/DI saltwater changes to dilute the CP in my HT. Days following I also bought a freshwater Black Molly to do the fallow disease test. A week later, the Molly was still well and healthy, so in my opinion, treatment was a success! My clownfish was free of disease! It is to note: I read that CP will tint the water yellow/brown which I can confirm when compared to clean saltwater during the water change. I was surprised to see the different color as I didn't notice this in the dark colored HT bin.

Immediately following, I came across Ocellaris Snowflake Clownfishes I just had to have. I sold my one clownfish to get 2 snowflakes. My 2 snowflakes were prophylactically treated in CP for 25 days while the tank fallowed for the remaining weeks. The Black Molly was moved to its own "œfish bowl" with air stone, awaiting its mission to test the display tank water when done the 76 day fallow.

Days approaching day 76, I started doing water changes on the Black Molly using display tank water. Day 76, Black Molly is well and healthy. I treated Ich, Brook, and Velvet. Good enough for me! I put the snowflake pair into the display tank.

Today marks day 2 after the 76 day fallow and both my snowflake pair is doing well; swimming, eating, exploring. I considered keeping the Black Molly with the clownfish but feared they would bully him, so currently keep in QT until needed next. I will definitely QT everything from now on"¦EVERYTHING.

As you can see, I've learned so much and try my best to educate others and help when I can. Member posts that stood out: b0bab0ey, alprazo, and HumbleFish. Thank you all.

Same experience with CP. I purchased mine from eBay as well. Seller name was aquaalgae. I currently have a fish in QT that had visible cysts on him when purchased. It's a black cap basslet. Displayed no flashing or lack of appetite. It's day five. He's alive, eating, and exploring his QT and there are no visible cysts. I know that I could just be experiencing the life cycle of the parasite but as of now, things look good. I'll probably be trying out the molly test in the QT as well after about 10 days to ensure plenty of time for all existing cysts to drop off the current fish.
 
Noga suggests treatments of CP every 5 days for a minimum of 4 treatments... just a FYI

Do you mind clarifying that for me? You mean to dose every five days? Or remove and re dose every five days? I'm confused. I was under the influence this is a treat water once and it's good for up to 30.


What I've been doing is introducing the fish at SG from the LFS(This time it was 1.022) at the 40mg and allowing evap to bring me up to 1.025 and then adding top off to keep me there.
 
Do you mind clarifying that for me? You mean to dose every five days? Or remove and re dose every five days? I'm confused. I was under the influence this is a treat water once and it's good for up to 30.


What I've been doing is introducing the fish at SG from the LFS(This time it was 1.022) at the 40mg and allowing evap to bring me up to 1.025 and then adding top off to keep me there.

Redose every 5 days without water changes, I have done this 4 times now in my DT (35 grams at a time mind you) without any negative effects. The half life of CP isn't very well understood and being that you're suppose to redose every 5 days, it must not be long... I also spoke with the curator at Long Island Aquarium and he also said the same thing Noga's book says. His Marine Biologist that administers the medications there also confirmed this. His quote was "CP is very forgiving"
 
Not knowing what else you had in the tank why didn't you clean the whole tank out, sterilize it, dry it out and put the livestock back after treating them? That would have taken a lot less time.

The experience I gained using CP was invaluable.

I now have a dispensable QT/HT ready. I know what signs to look for and how to eradicate Ich, Brook, and Velvet, etc.

If I took the easy route and just started over, I would have eventually come across another disease if i didn't educate myself now. Plus, I had turbo snails, a rainbow BTA, LPS corals, and over a years worth of beneficial bacteria/copepods growth, so can't simply clean out, sterilize, and dry out the whole tank. Fallow for 76 days was the way to go. :)
 
Same experience with CP. I purchased mine from eBay as well. Seller name was aquaalgae. I currently have a fish in QT that had visible cysts on him when purchased. It's a black cap basslet. Displayed no flashing or lack of appetite. It's day five. He's alive, eating, and exploring his QT and there are no visible cysts. I know that I could just be experiencing the life cycle of the parasite but as of now, things look good. I'll probably be trying out the molly test in the QT as well after about 10 days to ensure plenty of time for all existing cysts to drop off the current fish.

Good to hear things are looking good.

You're only treating for 2 weeks vs. the suggested 3-4 weeks? Yes, hopefully all the cysts do drop off by then.

Yes, the Black Molly test is great. My lil guy is a soldier.
 
Good to hear things are looking good.



You're only treating for 2 weeks vs. the suggested 3-4 weeks? Yes, hopefully all the cysts do drop off by then.



Yes, the Black Molly test is great. My lil guy is a soldier.



Well, plan was to go longer in observation since I am aware of the visible cysts. Being that he's made it 6 days I'd imagine I'm dealing with Ich and not velvet. This was an experiment to see if it was able to handle visible symptoms. I ran three Anthias though with no issues.


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There's a lot of things in this thread that are confusing. Someone mentioned TTM for Velvet and copper is useless. That is the complete opposite of everything I've read and how I treat velvet.
 
Ttm does nothing for velvet. Copper will work. Not sure where they got that info.


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That's exactly my thoughts. It's disappointing to see people "hand out" false information in this hobby.

Well at the forums are a little bit better, wait till what they post on Facebook groups ;)

CP and copper both treats velvet well, however for certain copper sensitive fish like flame angel, potters, I would not even try to use quarter dosage of cupramine (safest, but also weak and slow responding) on them.
 
Anyone know of an online or chain pharmacy that carries CP in powder form? My vet will write me a rx but we can only find it in pill form.
 
It's best to get it from a drugstore with a script from your vet. Check with local owned mom & pop drug stores I'm sure any drugstore can order it in powder form. If you buy it from a supplier from the internet you may not get the full strength.


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