my rice experiment

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guys I'm extremely sorry for not replying to this thread or posting updates.
I building lost electricity due for approx 24 hrs, and my tank was not aereated for approx 11hrs. and my fuge was not aereated for 22 hrs.
I guess everthing in the fuge is dead.
in my tank I've lost my bicolor angel and an anthias. 1 acro frag, 1 staghorn is rtning. lots of critters like pods stars lil brine/mysis shrimp are dead. the water is smelling foul, but I dont have any makeup water to change. so I'm just a little tied up with.
sorry again guys
 
take care of your business first. We all understand. I know what it's like to lose power. I finally got my current tank set up (upgrade for all my growing fish) and a huge storm knocks out the power. My neighbors get there's back in a day or two...mine takes a week. I lost a one spot foxface and a six line wrasse. All corals were gone...

I had planned the move so there would be little to no cycle. Everything was great till the power failure. Then it's was months of recycleing with two clowns. This hobby...is so dependent on electricity. I don't know how humans ever got into keeping fish as pets before electricity. But hey...if your params are going up from die-off...maybe it's time to see just how well the rice can really work.

(sorry that's my best attempt at looking on the bright side.) :(
 
kkil4life said:
I'm too exhausted to work out the ppm again, so for now, lets accept ur calculations of the above.

now look at this
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-02/rs/feature/index.php

element - ur calc - from the table NSW (all in ppm)
iron - 0.002099 - .02
manganese - 0.005341 - 0.01
zinc - 0.002884 - 0.0140
copper -0.0003998 -0.090


as you can see from the comparison of the ppm from YOUR caluclation and NSW, iron, manganese, zinc and copper are absolutely nothing to worry about.
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I have been following this topic and wanted to verify that no toxic metals are in large quantity in the water by using rice.
Just made a small research and Ron Shimek had made some test with copper and sea urchin larvae. Copper at 10 ppb decreased the larvae survival in 48 hours and at 100 ppb it was lethal.
I think since copper is at 0.0003998 ppm = 0.0000003998ppb we can safely assume that if sea urchins spawn in hour tank, rice leaching copper will not be killing the larvae...
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/jan2004/chem.htm
 
kkil4life said:
I'm too exhausted to work out the ppm again, so for now, lets accept ur calculations of the above.

now look at this
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-02/rs/feature/index.php

element - ur calc - from the table NSW (all in ppm)
iron - 0.002099 - .02
manganese - 0.005341 - 0.01
zinc - 0.002884 - 0.0140
copper -0.0003998 -0.090


as you can see from the comparison of the ppm from YOUR caluclation and NSW, iron, manganese, zinc and copper are absolutely nothing to worry about.
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Natural sea water levels were obtained from here http://ozreef.org/library/tables/natural_sea_water_composition.html

Zinc: 0.0005ppm
Copper: 0.0001ppm
Manganese: 0.0001ppm
Iron: 0.000055ppm

I donno, the ppm concentration data on different site is totally different.

What I do know is, copper and zinc are extremely poisonous to coral and invertebrates, so I'm skeptic about the 0.09 ppm copper and 0.014 ppm zinc in NSW.

Perhaps Randy or Cliff can shred some light on this?
 
Lemeshianos said:
I have been following this topic and wanted to verify that no toxic metals are in large quantity in the water by using rice.
Just made a small research and Ron Shimek had made some test with copper and sea urchin larvae. Copper at 10 ppb decreased the larvae survival in 48 hours and at 100 ppb it was lethal.
I think since copper is at 0.0003998 ppm = 0.0000003998ppb we can safely assume that if sea urchins spawn in hour tank, rice leaching copper will not be killing the larvae...
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/jan2004/chem.htm
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You got it wrong, 0.0003998 is zinc, copper is 0.0002884 ppm

0.0002884 ppm = 0.2884 ppb

If 10 ppb already decreased larvae survival rate in 48 hrs and lethal at 100 ppb then how can NSW has 0.09 ppm or 90 ppb copper?
 
You are right about the conversion.It's 0.3998. lets say 0.4 ppb

I am registered in a Greek forum that has a section where Ron Shimek answers questions. I will ask him directly.
 
Hey Nick,
finally found this thread.
Sorry to hear about the fire, hope your appartment wasn't directly affected.
Did you manage to keep your corals with anyone?
 
luoskrad said:
Hi every one,

Great thread I've been following you guys from the beginning and after your results I'm going to try your "Rice-reef Method".

I'm from Mexico City and I'm subscribed in a mexican Reef forum (www.i-reef.com) some of the members have started the method a couple days ago and they are sharing their updates and concerns if you guys want to try some spanish you are more than welcome this is the tread: http://i-reef.com/thread-3347-page-1.html

Basically they are reporting the same behavior on the skimmer (a lot of skimming), some hazy water for a couple of days, the corals doesn't seem to bother. Their P an N levels are almost the same (they use to have some N but nothing to high

We have a concern about all the water the skimmer has taken out, you think the density on the water can be compromised? are you guys are measuring this parameter? I think in a large tank its not too much but how about nanos, we are going to keep an eye on this param but just want to know if you have checked this out.

I will keep posting our progress

Regards
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Darksoul,

If your skimmer is pulling out too much water you may have to temporarily dial it back until the system adjusts. Check the salinity if that's a concern.

DJ
 
maroun.c said:
Hey Nick,
finally found this thread.
Sorry to hear about the fire, hope your appartment wasn't directly affected.
Did you manage to keep your corals with anyone?
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hey bro,
thankfully nothing really happened cuz we caught the fire like a min after it started and we put it out. but the electricity dept came over and shut of power to the entire building for almost 24hrs to get it repaired.

I used battery pumps to run the tanks and it save most of my live stock.
atleast now I have battery backups incase I need it again. dont have to run around to find something.
 
I am a bit confused. Did the original poster started the experiment a week ago or 40 days ago?

So if they decay rapidly, then the tank would just get flooded with a ton of nutrients, wouldn't?
 
luoskrad said:
Hi every one,

Great thread I've been following you guys from the beginning and after your results I'm going to try your "Rice-reef Method".

I'm from Mexico City and I'm subscribed in a mexican Reef forum (www.i-reef.com) some of the members have started the method a couple days ago and they are sharing their updates and concerns if you guys want to try some spanish you are more than welcome this is the tread: http://i-reef.com/thread-3347-page-1.html

Basically they are reporting the same behavior on the skimmer (a lot of skimming), some hazy water for a couple of days, the corals doesn't seem to bother. Their P an N levels are almost the same (they use to have some N but nothing to high

We have a concern about all the water the skimmer has taken out, you think the density on the water can be compromised? are you guys are measuring this parameter? I think in a large tank its not too much but how about nanos, we are going to keep an eye on this param but just want to know if you have checked this out.

I will keep posting our progress

Regards
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i just checked the site, and it appears that someone saw this thread and then started experimenting themselves. I dont understand it fully, but I can read bits and pieces here n there.
first since ur a member there, can you post on my behalf saying "WELCOME TO THE RICE TRAIN"......theres a guy on there named COLT and he started using rice and I'm not sure who else starte using rice, but could you ask them to post their experiences and if possible their parameters. and if you would be so kind to translate it for us on RC.
 
Acrotrdco said:
You got it wrong, 0.0003998 is zinc, copper is 0.0002884 ppm

0.0002884 ppm = 0.2884 ppb

If 10 ppb already decreased larvae survival rate in 48 hrs and lethal at 100 ppb then how can NSW has 0.09 ppm or 90 ppb copper?
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acrotrdco, first things first, NSW values are not constant everywhere. it changes from place to place. given this, all elements have their min and max levels. NSW value of alk is approx 7, what do we have our alk at? 9 sometimes 10 or even upto 12 and nothing horrific happens.

we dose iron and manganese into our tanks without even knowing the contentrations, and what happens? nothing.
I've put up calculations using YOUR numbers as to why none of the minerals are harmful in the concentrations present in rice.
zinc, I really am not aware of its role and what harm it does, so I will not comment, but again its not present in any harmful concentration.

the only worry is copper which is 0.28mg in 100g. now even using laymans conversion, if you dump 0.28mg in 100g (375L), that makes it .00074mg/l = 0.00074ppm. are you going to be worried about that? I dont think theres a reason to be worried about it.

unless u dump a 20lbs bag into ur 10g nano tank, I dont think u have anything to worry about.

auroratrdco, I find it funny that you want to bash on rice when you have no solid backing for it. even your theoritcal explanation was flawed. my backing is MY EXPERIMENT. which I have documented every single step of the way.


for those of you worried about using rice, if you really are concerned, please just keep checking this thread cuz of those of us that use this method will post here till we prove that its a feasable and reliable method.
if you guys have any doubts, feel free to pm me or post here and I'll help as much as I can.

As for getting a clearer picture, if Randy comes back I'm sure he will clear up this whole numbers game and tell us for sure. i'm sure he'll even make a rice molecule avatar for me :)
 
jjsan said:
I am a bit confused. Did the original poster started the experiment a week ago or 40 days ago?

So if they decay rapidly, then the tank would just get flooded with a ton of nutrients, wouldn't?
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I started the experiment roughly 12 days ago, and icycoral is just 1 day behind me.
 
kkil4life said:
i just checked the site, and it appears that someone saw this thread and then started experimenting themselves. I dont understand it fully, but I can read bits and pieces here n there.
first since ur a member there, can you post on my behalf saying "WELCOME TO THE RICE TRAIN"......theres a guy on there named COLT and he started using rice and I'm not sure who else starte using rice, but could you ask them to post their experiences and if possible their parameters. and if you would be so kind to translate it for us on RC.
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kkil4life, thanks for the welcome and I will be doing the translations

There are 3 guys on the "RICE TRAIN": COLT, NEWBIEREEF and KEKETITO I will start today.

NEWBIEREEF and COLT started on 23th, until yesterday all the params where almost the same but NEWBIEREEF has an issue today his rice has been changed color to yellow here is the pic:
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The PO4 he started with 0.5 now it is 0.25 but on the other hand NO3 he stated between 5 to 10 after this yellow color change he tested again and now he has over 50ppm he made a water change and now he is on the 5 to 10 range again.

What do you think could happened? I asked if he had soak rice at least 24 hours and he told me that he only rinse the rice until the water was clear (with ro/di water) do you think this could be the issue?
 
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Yeah my rice turned a funky brown too but I'm still reading nothing for no3. Gotta luv this API test kit the colors for 5 and for 10 ppm look the same lol my new test kits should be here tomorrow. The new ones are redsea not the best but hopefully better than this
 
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