Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)

[z's_N_p's]

when using PraziPro on a reef, do you just add it directly into the water, on high flow I assume?

how about when you use it as preventative? do you just mix up new saltwater or use water from the system and add PraziPro and acclimate the fish this way?

any input is appreciated... thanks...

 

[Danieltank]

expiry date on PraziPro

expiry date on PraziPro

Just received a bottle of PraziPro. Stumbled on the printed numbers on the bottom of the bottle. As you can see in the picture is says 06040803. Does that mean that the content of the bottle has exceeded the expiry date?

I sent the online store the same image and they replied that they were unsure whether that actually was the expiry date?

Anyone?

 

[sue711]

I used Prazi in my reef tank months ago, and shortly after my tank had a cyno outbreak. Also my frogspawn recently died, it never looked good after the treatment and it just went downhill for 4 months after. I wish I had never used the Prazi in my tank, as I feel that there was a definite cause/effect relationship.

 

[jnc914]

You can use Prazi in a reef tank, however some observations I have seen first hand is that softies are not tolerant of it. They will not die outright, but will become stressed and "unhappy". In addition, I have always questioned the potency of Prazi-pro after the initial dosage. Is it as effective on day 3-4 as it was on days 1-2? If not should you do a shorter treatment period, and then redose, say after day 4 instead of day 7. I have had issues where the fluke has not gone away with even back to back (14 days) treatments of Prazi. In addition, I have used the powdered praziquantel and I find it to be more effective. I think it may be more concentrated dose of Prazi that is needed to rid the strains of Fluke we are dealing with now. I get all my fish meds from the fish pharmacy. I have De-Los, but it tends to be very hard on the more delicate fish like angels and butterflies.

 

[jnc914]

Just received a bottle of PraziPro. Stumbled on the printed numbers on the bottom of the bottle. As you can see in the picture is says 06040803. Does that mean that the content of the bottle has exceeded the expiry date?

I sent the online store the same image and they replied that they were unsure whether that actually was the expiry date?

Anyone?

Prazi-pro doesn't really have a shelf life and as far as the company tells you, it doesn't break down after a certain amount of time. I have spoken to reps at the company about this in the past. The number pictured is not an expiration, it is used to track the specific batches that were made and shipped. I also asked about potency of Prazi in a full 7 days of treatment. They claim it has the same efficiency throughout the treatment period.

 

[jjk_reef00]

I recently got a 12" queen angel fish from my LFS. It was eating great, then all of a sudden slowed down a lot and was hiding. Then it would scratch, and his eye turned really cloudy. I just did a fresh water dip and tons of flukes fell off!

I usually qt but he was too big. Lesson learned don't buy a fish you cannot qt!

I ordered some Prazipro yesterday so I think he'll be ok until I get it.
After a 10 min dip I know for a fact that there are still some on his skin!
What a total pain. I can't believe I have to treat my whole tank...
I just hope his eye recovers!

He has been in the tank for an hour now and isn't hiding and isn't scratching. He is eating pellets again!

 

[cthetoy]

Yes flukes are still out there. Last week I bought a Longnose Butterfly, FW dipped it and flukes fell out even though it ate well. Flukes are most common on Angels, Butterflies and Anthias

 

[jjk_reef00]

By the way this is a great thread! My favorite of all time in fact because it may have saved my fish's life. Crossing my fingers...
Is there a thread out there that lists all the fish diseases?
I really need to qt better because before I wasn't treating for flukes. I will for sure now!

 

[jjk_reef00]

Ok so how would you guys suggest I dose the 2nd time. I plan on leaving the Prazipro in the tank for 1 week. Then should I run carbon, do a water change, and immediately dose the 2nd time?

 

[MazdaSPD3]

Another question, how soon after dosing/treatment should you see the flukes fall of the fish? My naso tang seems to be getting more cloudiness in its eyes.

 

[jjk_reef00]

I am treating a bad case of flukes, my Naso seems to be fairly resilient and to my knowledge doesn't have them. If he is in qt I would consider a freshwater dip. I dipped my angel and about 100 fell off of him. I've been treating the flukes with prazipro for 4 days now and haven't seen any of them in the display (I have sand so it is really hard to see any). 2 days after the dip the eye on the angel really cleared up a lot. I would say it was 3-5 minutes in the freshwater before a lot of them started falling off.

 

[cthetoy]

Another question, how soon after dosing/treatment should you see the flukes fall of the fish? My naso tang seems to be getting more cloudiness in its eyes.

In my experience Flukes on Tangs is rare. Most likely the cloudy eyes is due to a bacterial infection or your water quality is poor. You can always perform a freshwater dip to see if your Naso Tang has flukes.

On a heavily infested fish you may see flukes fall off about 30 minutes after dosing Prazipro.

 

[MazdaSPD3]

Its not entirely cloudy, more like "patches" of semi-transparent/translucent oval shaped blotches here and there on the eye. The Naso also rubs its eyes with its fins repeatedly and often.

 

[billsreef]

Its not entirely cloudy, more like "patches" of semi-transparent/translucent oval shaped blotches here and there on the eye. The Naso also rubs its eyes with its fins repeatedly and often.

Classic description of flukes. I've stripped many a fluke off many a tang over the years. FW dips work quite well.

 

[MazdaSPD3]

Okay, well I dosed Prazipro at the recommended dosage and its day 2 and there are still flukes on its eyes. Should I be worried that they haven't fallen off/cleared up?

 

[billsreef]

Personally, I'd do a quick FW dip to remove the bulk of them and continue the prazi to take care of any residual flukes that the dip doesn't get or remain in the tank. This will allow the tang to begin healing the quickest.

 

[cthetoy]

Personally, I'd do a quick FW dip to remove the bulk of them and continue the prazi to take care of any residual flukes that the dip doesn't get or remain in the tank. This will allow the tang to begin healing the quickest.

I agree with Billsreef. My Goldflake Angel had flukes on its eyes and a FW dip removed it (actually I saw it Fall off) after 5 minutes. Continue with Prazipro and make sure you shake the bottle well as stated since the contents settle fast. Watch your pH and ammonia

 

[JGHA]

Hi everyone, great post. My small brother gave me a flame angel as a present about 2 weeks ago, He has been eating everything I feed cyclops mysis brine shrimp. About 3 days ago I noticed he had a cloudy eye, now it is bigger and I think I cansee the flukes inside of it. My purple firefish once had the same symptoms after I moved him to my new 250 gal upgrade, he survived with no treatment, so I thought the flame angel would had no problems but I see this problem is much worse than what thought, What should I do he is in a 250 gal mixed feer dominated by SPS and LPS a few softies some zoanthids and clams. It will be really hard to capture him and it will definetly be of much stress for the fish. Any possible treatment for a reef. He is still eating vigorously. Thanks.

 

[steelersfan]

If the fish has flukes, Prazipro is reef safe (besides featherdusters).

 

[jlinzmaier]

I've come across some sort of flatworm that I've trying to eradicate from my system. After posting several magnified pics on several forums here on RC I'm unable to get a definate ID. The aren't AEFW's - for sure, however I think they may be causing some coral irritation and limiting PE. I dosed a double strength shot of FWE last week and just this evening I found more FW's after a revive dip on a few corals.

I had ordered some Prazipro just in case the FWE was unsuccessful. Tonight I decided to dose the prazipro. I have a 180 gallon mixed reef and I'm estimating the total volume to be around 200 gallons (net). I dosed 60 ml's of prazipro - a bit stronger than the bottle recommendations (extra 10ml's).

The initial reaction was a bit interesting to say the least:

1) All the anemones tentacles shriveled up immediately (on all 6 of my large anemones). The anemones bodies stayed puffed up and after a few minutes they expanded their polyps again.
2) My bubble corals retracted their bubbles and immediately extended their feeder tentacles far longer than usual.
3) My torch and frogspawn shriveled their tentacles a bit.
4) My pencil urchin immediately came out of hiding and became very active?????
5) My three chromis acted really weird. They normally hang out in the center of the tank. Immediately after the dose of prazipro all three of them went over to my frag rack and were snuggling in among the corals and seemed to exhibit some spawning behavior, but I saw nothing released. Two of the chromis yawned frequenly for a few minutes but showed no signs of stress other than their odd behavior.
6) None of the other fish changed behavior at all.
7) Several of my SPS extended what I describe as digestive polyps (not sure of the proper termination). They extended the digestive polyps that you see when an SPS will encroach on another and attempt to kill off the invading neighbor.
8) Some SPS retracted their polyps entirely.
9) Some corals had no reaction at all.
10) My zoanthids shriveled a bit.
11) I have two chunks of red duster clusters. In fear of bringing the FW's back into the tank (If I QT'd the dusters during treament) I decided not to remove them. The clusters are attached to corals and large peices of rock so I just decided they may be a casualty in my battle against the FW's. They immediately shriveled after the dose.

I'll post further reactions in the morning.

Quick question:

How long after dosing Prazipro should I resume the use of my skimmer and carbon??

Thanks.

Jeremy