Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)

I guess it could be either. I would follow up with a prazipro treatment. If in a week you don't see an improvement then go with an antibiotic.
 
It could be both. It took 3 more dips for my Passer's eyes to clear up. Over a period of 2 weeks after the dips did his / her eye clear up. There is still a slight / piont of cloudlyness, but I think that happen by hitting a rock.
 
RBU1,

I unterstand your point, it is always good to hear from the users, but the company, be it a good one, does / should do its product testing on the majority of want its customers would use it with. Product research. IE, they said worms / feather dusters, bad idea with their product. Eels, corals,(he did mention some corals did not do well but can't rember) inverts, and fish were all good.

Again, I do agree with you to a point, but it would not do a company any good to tell a customer its all right to use for X and then X dies shortly after use. They (the company) should know that one bad customer = 100 bad stories posted everywhere. If the company is not sure about something they should say it. IE we did not test it on X, but for most common W,Y,Z's the product worked great, use with caution with X. That would be where others could chime in on there experiences.

Bad gouge from the company, will = short life for the company.

Thanks for the input.
 
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KingwoodMarcia said:
RBU1,

I unterstand your point, it is always good to hear from the users, but the company, be it a good one, does / should do its product testing on the majority of want its customers would use it with. Product research. IE, they said worms / feather dusters, bad idea with their product. Eels, corals,(he did mention some corals did not do well but can't rember) inverts, and fish were all good.

Again, I do agree with you to a point, but it would not do a company any good to tell a customer its all right to use for X and then X dies shortly after use. They (the company) should know that one bad customer = 100 bad stories posted everywhere. If the company is not sure about something they should say it. IE we did not test it on X, but for most common W,Y,Z's the product worked great, use with caution with X. That would be where others could chime in on there experiences.

Bad gouge from the company, will = short life for the company.

Thanks for the input.
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Not to sure what point of mine you are reffering to. I did try to call the manufacturuer on Monday but they were closed. I wanted to get the treatment started so I took the advice of a few people I trust. I prefer to get as much info as I can via people that have used the product and the manufacturer. Consider the manufacturer as a car dealer. If you go to a shitty car dealer they are not going to tell you their car is a piece of crap. They are going to tell you its the best thing since sliced bread....NOW if you ask a person that owns the car, odds are they are going to tell you its a piece of crap. Hope you get my point. But I do call manufacturers mainly for additional advice.
 
intermision said:
I have a Singapore angel that has/had flukes. I did a 10 min FW dip and about 20-30 flukes came off, but the angel still has cloudy eyes. Could there still be some flukes on him, or is it more likely a secondary infection?
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For just FW dips, you generally have to do 2 or more dips every couple of days. Alternatively, an initial dip to remove the bulk, followed by prazi to deal with any stragglers the dip didn't get or any leftovers in the tank itself. Secondary infections are quite common with fluke infections. In most cases these resolve themselves once the flukes are removed, however, on some cases you might need to follow up with antibiotics should the secondary infection not improve within a couple of days of flukes being killed off.
 
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It appears to be from the 5th picture. Just perform a 5 minute fresh water dip and compare it to the flukes picture on the 1st page of this thread.
 
billsreef said:
For just FW dips, you generally have to do 2 or more dips every couple of days. Alternatively, an initial dip to remove the bulk, followed by prazi to deal with any stragglers the dip didn't get or any leftovers in the tank itself. Secondary infections are quite common with fluke infections. In most cases these resolve themselves once the flukes are removed, however, on some cases you might need to follow up with antibiotics should the secondary infection not improve within a couple of days of flukes being killed off.
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Thanks Bill
this was also stated much earlier in the thread

"Good thread -

A couple of observations though - the pictures (and many of the symptoms) above pertain to Neobenedinia. This is a large, common fluke that *can* kill fish, but it takes a long time. More insidous are smaller gill and skin flukes (you cannot see these in the FW dip bucket without a microscope or at least a hand lens).
With FW dips, it makes sense to match water temps, but don't go overboard trying to match the pH - a fish exposed to massive osmotic change like that isn't going to notice the pH difference.
Also, I generally don't go 10 minutes on a FW dip. Dips alone won't eradicte flukes because some are egg-layers and infections with the livebearing species almost always have some juveniles in the tank and not on the fish. Better to use the FW dips as a pre-treatment.
Here is a rather important point - if the fish has a heavy fluke infestation and you do a 10 minute FW dip and knock off ALL the flukes, the fish may "bleed out" and die from the literally hundreds of holes in its skin left by the killed flukes. If you suspect a SEVERE fluke infestation, try a 3 or 4 minute FW dip, wait a couple of days and try a 5 or 6 minute dip, wait a day or two and then hit the tank with praziquantel. The idea is to remove the flukes a few at a time so the fish's skin can heal a bit between removals."

Jay Hemdal on page one
 
I agree about not doing to long of a freshwater dip and causing to many to fall off at once. I did a single 5m dip and that alone cause enough to fall off to help relieve the stress on my fish. After a few days and making sure everyone was eating I treated with prazipro and haven't seen any fluke since.

One of my clowns did end up getting a sore from where there must have been some fluke on it's skin. It welted up but after a week or so it went away. I'd imagine that if I did a much longer dip and even more fluke fell off all at once I would have had more problems with even more sores and possible bacterial issues.
 
I am happy with just being able to treat the whole tank with Prazipro. In many cases it is difficult to get the fish out of the tank and or my client doesn't want to afford the costs of individul fish treatment.
 
OK I am getting frustrated....The eyes are almost 100% back to being clear and the pectoral fins have gotten a great deal better but still have some white spots/blotches on them...I have already moved a couple fish that were in QT with the angel over to the main tank so I am praying this is not ich on his pectoral fins. The pic posted in this thread looks real similar to what I have on the blue angel. Keep in mind this guy has been thru 3 weeks cuprmaine at .5 and 2 prazi pro treatments........

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1801412
 
After reading all 16 pgs of this thread, I suspect that I have a case of flukes in my tank. I do have a small problem..... I cannot catch any of my fish for a FW dip since the tank is 42" high and way too many places for the fish to hide so I have a few questions regarding this.

Most of the fish are doing the head twitching thing, scrapping on rocks and they look like they have something in their fins but it's not ich. Have not noticed cloudy eyes. Is it still flukes? Can't catch one to FW dip to see if it is!!

1- Will dosing Prazi in the DT alone take care of flukes w/o FW dips?
2- If that doesn't work, once all the fish die, will letting the tank go fallow for 12 weeks cure this problem?
3- Since my tank is FOWLR, should I dose heavier than recommended?
And when should I do another dosing? in 3-4 days or a week?
4- When do I do a big water change and add carbon to take care of the Prazi?
5- Will I be able to see the flukes if I FW dip a fish that has died? To make sure it's flukes.

Thanks for all your help, this thread has been very educational.
 
LamboBoy said:
After reading all 16 pgs of this thread, I suspect that I have a case of flukes in my tank. I do have a small problem..... I cannot catch any of my fish for a FW dip since the tank is 42" high and way too many places for the fish to hide so I have a few questions regarding this.

Most of the fish are doing the head twitching thing, scrapping on rocks and they look like they have something in their fins but it's not ich. Have not noticed cloudy eyes. Is it still flukes? Can't catch one to FW dip to see if it is!!

1- Will dosing Prazi in the DT alone take care of flukes w/o FW dips?
2- If that doesn't work, once all the fish die, will letting the tank go fallow for 12 weeks cure this problem?
3- Since my tank is FOWLR, should I dose heavier than recommended?
And when should I do another dosing? in 3-4 days or a week?
4- When do I do a big water change and add carbon to take care of the Prazi?
5- Will I be able to see the flukes if I FW dip a fish that has died? To make sure it's flukes.

Thanks for all your help, this thread has been very educational.
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I would dose the dt with the suggested amount on the bottle
 
LamboBoy said:
After reading all 16 pgs of this thread, I suspect that I have a case of flukes in my tank. I do have a small problem..... I cannot catch any of my fish for a FW dip since the tank is 42" high and way too many places for the fish to hide so I have a few questions regarding this.

Most of the fish are doing the head twitching thing, scrapping on rocks and they look like they have something in their fins but it's not ich. Have not noticed cloudy eyes. Is it still flukes? Can't catch one to FW dip to see if it is!!

1- Will dosing Prazi in the DT alone take care of flukes w/o FW dips?
2- If that doesn't work, once all the fish die, will letting the tank go fallow for 12 weeks cure this problem?
3- Since my tank is FOWLR, should I dose heavier than recommended?
And when should I do another dosing? in 3-4 days or a week?
4- When do I do a big water change and add carbon to take care of the Prazi?
5- Will I be able to see the flukes if I FW dip a fish that has died? To make sure it's flukes.

Thanks for all your help, this thread has been very educational.
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1--the purpose of FW dip is to see if there's flukes first but since you can't catch the fish to test then just go ahead and dose. Assuming you'll be shutting off the skimmer when you dose Prazi just keep an eye on the ph or run extra powerheads to compensate O2.
2--don't worry about this as Prazi will take care of flukes (2 rounds to be safe).
3--NO. Follow the instruction. (I prefer 1/2 the recommended dosage on day 1 then the other half 24 hours later--this seems easier on the fish)
4--I preform 1/3 water change on day 7 then proceed to 2nd round of Prazi. After another 6 days I perform a 40-50% WC and run carbon.
5--I think that would depend how long the fish has died...if it was done right away you should be able to see flukes from the FW dip.

I would try to at least work on catching/trapping a fish to test before putting all the fish through the stress of Prazi. If you can't then just go ahead.

btw--why do you think your tank has flukes? Did you add any new fish?
 
I think LamboBoy's fish has flukes from the head twitching he described. Flameangel88 answers are right on. To
 
flameangel88 said:
1--the purpose of FW dip is to see if there's flukes first but since you can't catch the fish to test then just go ahead and dose. Assuming you'll be shutting off the skimmer when you dose Prazi just keep an eye on the ph or run extra powerheads to compensate O2.
2--don't worry about this as Prazi will take care of flukes (2 rounds to be safe).
3--NO. Follow the instruction. (I prefer 1/2 the recommended dosage on day 1 then the other half 24 hours later--this seems easier on the fish)
4--I preform 1/3 water change on day 7 then proceed to 2nd round of Prazi. After another 6 days I perform a 40-50% WC and run carbon.
5--I think that would depend how long the fish has died...if it was done right away you should be able to see flukes from the FW dip.

I would try to at least work on catching/trapping a fish to test before putting all the fish through the stress of Prazi. If you can't then just go ahead.

btw--why do you think your tank has flukes? Did you add any new fish?
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Definitely the head twitching, scrapping on rocks and some spots(not white) on fin and tail but they are not ich. Some fins look like opaque.

Wow, 40-50% water change is going to be tough, that's 150 to 200 gallons.

Out of curiosity, will Prazi take care of ich?
 
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