Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)

[billsreef]

Thought you'd like that link. It's a useful bunch of people to know

As for fluke eggs, best info I can come up with is a range of 10 to 21 days for hatch depending on species. Naturally the eggs are typically treatment resistant. Noga's recommendation for treatment is to treat once a week for 3 weeks to cover that range reliably if you think you have one of the egg laying species.

 

[Aquarist007]

Thought you'd like that link. It's a useful bunch of people to know

As for fluke eggs, best info I can come up with is a range of 10 to 21 days for hatch depending on species. Naturally the eggs are typically treatment resistant. Noga's recommendation for treatment is to treat once a week for 3 weeks to cover that range reliably if you think you have one of the egg laying species.

Thanks very much Bill---that is really good information for everyone to know:thumbsup:

 

[smarcus3]

interesting.

 

[Ycore]

So, I've got flukes.. They did in my Blue spot jawfish, and my fuzzy dwarf, clown, flame hawk, and midas blenny are all infected. I just ordered Prazipro, but what would be the proper dosing mechanism if one also has a tank filled with flatworms (the harmless yet annoying white kind thatc ling to glass)? I'm worried that Prazipro will kill of the flatworms, releasing their toxins and crashing my tank. If one was dosing Flatworm Exit, a major water change and carbon would be recommended within an hour of dosing to get rid of the toxins. However, from what I've read Prazipro doesn't kill as fast as Flatworm exit and I'm not supposed to run carbon, so just wondering how I should go about treating to prevent a crash due to flatworm die off, without negating the medications effect by running carbon.

Thanks

 

[Psionicdragon]

do flukes die off by themselves after x amount of fusion and growth like ick?

 

[billsreef]

do flukes die off by themselves after x amount of fusion and growth like ick?

I've never come across any mention of such aging out of lines in flukes such as is seen in ich. So I expect not.

 

[Aquarist007]

So, I've got flukes.. They did in my Blue spot jawfish, and my fuzzy dwarf, clown, flame hawk, and midas blenny are all infected. I just ordered Prazipro, but what would be the proper dosing mechanism if one also has a tank filled with flatworms (the harmless yet annoying white kind thatc ling to glass)? I'm worried that Prazipro will kill of the flatworms, releasing their toxins and crashing my tank. If one was dosing Flatworm Exit, a major water change and carbon would be recommended within an hour of dosing to get rid of the toxins. However, from what I've read Prazipro doesn't kill as fast as Flatworm exit and I'm not supposed to run carbon, so just wondering how I should go about treating to prevent a crash due to flatworm die off, without negating the medications effect by running carbon.

Thanks

For your first dose run the carbon and lots of it because there will be a big die off. Be prepared with a turkey baster--they die off in chains which you can siphon off.
You can also buy a battery operated substrate vacuum for about 25 dollars and use it.
In the case of a huge die off I would do the water change immediately and then retreat the tank the next day while running the carbon. The next day when you treat the tank change the carbon and keep running it.

 

[prodman]

I just read this whole thread. I have QT all of my fish in Prazi. But once in DT I still observed some twitching and occasional scratching. So from what I have read it is possible that I had some flukes make it to the DT and infect my fish and three months later still have no deaths.

 

[hottuna]

Prodman:There is a very resistant type of flukes around now.
When I spoke to Brian @ nat'l fish pharm - he said the success rate of praziquantel vs these flukes is not good..

DE LOS on the other hand kills the new resistant type of flukes- however it is quite rough on the fish...many cannot make it through the 4 week treatment..

Its something I've been dealing with for quite some time now...and also there is a product no longer in production called fluke tabs that I have had success with..if you can find some,try it..

HTH...

 

[prodman]

HotTuna, Thanks for the info. I hope that's not what I am dealing with.

 

[prodman]

now that I have the fish in Qt I don't think they have flukes. I can see ick spots on the two that have been twitching so I am hoping it was that all along. I am still going to treat with two rounds of prazi. followed by a full cupramine treatment.

 

[hottuna]

Thats a good start prodman...you could combine the cupramine + prazipro...its safe I've done it a few times to save time..
I would go a full 28 days on both to get the next generation of flukes if thats what they are...

 

[prodman]

Thats a good start prodman...you could combine the cupramine + prazipro...its safe I've done it a few times to save time..
I would go a full 28 days on both to get the next generation of flukes if thats what they are...

I will combine them for sure. I just started with prazi first. I was not planning on doing the 28 days of prazi but I think now I will. Are the water changes between treatments necessary?

 

[Aquarist007]

I will combine them for sure. I just started with prazi first. I was not planning on doing the 28 days of prazi but I think now I will. Are the water changes between treatments necessary?

Do you have all of your fish out of the display tank now?
If so keep them out for five to six weeks---the time a tank needs to be fishless to rid all the ich in it

Keep track of your ammonia levels---that will determine the necessity for a water change(s)

 

[prodman]

Do you have all of your fish out of the display tank now?
If so keep them out for five to six weeks---the time a tank needs to be fishless to rid all the ich in it

Keep track of your ammonia levels---that will determine the necessity for a water change(s)

I do have all the fish out of the display. I will be keeping track of the water quality. But wondered if the use of prazi-pro actually required any additional water changes.

 

[Aquarist007]

I do have all the fish out of the display. I will be keeping track of the water quality. But wondered if the use of prazi-pro actually required any additional water changes.

only at the end of the treatment

 

[prodman]

only at the end of the treatment

That's what I am unclear about. Is it at the end of each 5-7 day treatment or when I am done with all treatments?

 

[flameangel88]

I perform a 25%-33% WC in between the 2 treatments and at the end of the second treat. This way you can maintain water quality in between as well.

 

[Yogre]

I also run carbon for 24 hours between treatments. My thinking is that it is desirable to remove the Prazi and its breakdown products from the previous dose before adding the second round of treatment; this allows me to have a more-or-less known concentration of Prazi when it is in the tank.

 

[Ycore]

This thread saved my fish..

This thread saved my fish..

I picked up a seemingly healthy Lyretail Anthias and Copperband Butterfly a week ago, and having no QT added them directly to my display. Within a few days the Lyretail got cloudy eye and started gasping. The Copperband was constantly flashing, had stopped eating, and was rubbing himself against the rocks. The next day my clownfish exibited the same symptoms as well.. Only my flamehawk seemed uneffected. This thread led me to belive they had flukes.. I picked up some Prazi-Pro but was hesitant to dose my tank despite all the claims here of it being reef-safe, and wanted to first confirm that it was indeed flukes. My CBB at this point was on his last legs so I was able to catch him and FW dip.. I've couldn't possible imagine that he could be so covered with these little beasties since you couldn't see anything on him, but within 2 minutes of FW dipping him it was raining little white worms-- looked like baby pieces of rice.. Literally about a hundred fell off of him..

Dosed my 50G tank with 10ml of Prazi-Pro and within 24 hours my fish were happy and healthy again-- it was like a miracle. Unfortunately the CBB did not make it-- either due to the shock of the FW dip or bleeding out when all the flukes fell off.

It had no effect on my corals whatsoever except for a bit of polyp retraction immediately after dosing, which went away after a few hours. RBTA, clams, ricordia, zoas, acans, hammer coral, candy cane, assorted sps, clove polyps, maxi mini anenomes, weso brains, plate coral, blastos, and chalices totally unaffected. Ironically, the only things that look totally ****ed are some shrooms (all shrunken up).

Just wanted to add my 2 cents, if you can confirm you have flukes, prazi-pro provides lamost instant relief and definitely wont harm your coral if dosed properly.