No white spots on any fish. I've had ich twice throughout the years,so I am fimiliar with the way it presents on the fish. Also ich seems to be fast moving and this is not the case. The royal gramma is showing no dots,frayed fins or cloudy eyes, it is fat and healthy eating well. His gills seem to be very irritated. My hippo tank has 1 eye that is very cloudy as well as large white blotches on his pectoral fins. I have also noticed a few other fish starting to scratch on occassion. Going to dose prazipro tomorrow and hope for the best.
Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)
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cthetoy
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Good luck. Don't forget to shake bottle very well, dose 1/2 today and the other 1/2 tomorrow. Turn off skimmer (you will if you forget because it will overflow). Some fish may not eat temporarily. If you still see the fish scratch after a few days then its not flukes. Make sure you water change alot.
This will work well to determine likelihood of any of those fish have flukes.
Having worked in the trade and dipped thousands of tangs, I can assure you they do commonly get flukes.
ok, correct me if I'm wrong, I'll do a 25-30% water change before treating. Treat with 1/2 dose and the other 1/2 the next day. 25-35% water change after day 7. Second dose then another water change after day 7. Skimmer turned off and carbon removed? I am going to try to catch 1 of the affected fish and dip in FW. The few attempts I've made in the past to dip fish in FW never went well. I always read about people doing anywhere between 3-10 minute dips. I can rarely get to 1 minute. The fish usually freaks out or sinks to the bottom on its side breathing heavy. This is with the FW closely matched in temp and ph. To me it seems like further stressing an already stressed fish.
cthetoy
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I never lost a fish to a fw dip. I don't bother matching the ph. Just rodi water matching the temp. Most fish will lie flat and breath heavy but thats normal. I fw dip 30 min accidentally many times with no problem. I now use a timer.
Make sure when you do a large water change to replenish your prazipro to make up the water change
marrone
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Could it possibly take more than 2 treatments of Prazipro to get rid of Flukes? I did two treatments and the fish were better, no more scratching. I then did a water change and about 3 days afterwards the fish started to scratch again and shake their heads. It seems that for whatever reason I can't kill off the Flukes that I have.
marrone
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I'm pretty sure it's flukes. I've tried treating with copper and Hypo and neither were able to kill if off, so I'm definitely sure it's not Ich, also there aren't any other signs of it being ich while I see signs of it being Flukes, like the fish shaking their heads and scratching by the gills plates.
It all started a while back when I got a tang that had flukes, which spread from my QT to one of my MT, which I was able to kill it using Prazi. So I'm pretty sure it's Flukes. I was able to kill it with two treatments in my other tank but for some reason I can't seem to get rid of it. I'm currently doing another treatment, started Friday, so we'll see if this will do it, otherwise I'll need to try something else.
It all started a while back when I got a tang that had flukes, which spread from my QT to one of my MT, which I was able to kill it using Prazi. So I'm pretty sure it's Flukes. I was able to kill it with two treatments in my other tank but for some reason I can't seem to get rid of it. I'm currently doing another treatment, started Friday, so we'll see if this will do it, otherwise I'll need to try something else.
Freshwater dip seems to cure the fish. The flukes will fall off the fish gills, eyes, scales, and fins. Make sure your PH and temperature is the same when you dip them. Also make sure you use an airstone during the dip. Usually 10-15 minutes should do the trick. When you get the fish home do it immediately. Flukes will kill all your fish in the matter of days.
I searched the thread, but came up with no results.
What are your opinions on using API General Cure for treating parasites/flukes instead of prazipro.
wouldn't that cover a larger array of potential problems? or is metro too harsh on fish? I read some people who say that metro is very gentle, others mention that it's hard on the kidneys.
I'm simply asking because my black and white clown, in QT currently, was doing fine for 2 weeks until yesterday when I noticed he was breathing heavily and was no longer interested in food. He has one or two white blotches on his body, which leads me to believe that it is most likely a flulke/parasite invasion. It's definitely not ICH.
He has one other tank mate, a lyretail anthias, who is still looking healthy and eating like a champ.
I have some API General Cure available at home already, so I was just wondering should I just go ahead and dose that, or would it be better to run out and buy some prazipro?
Actually... I think I'm going to go buy some prazipro anyway, for future, but in medicating the problem right now, would dosing prazipro be better? or would general cure be just as good?
Thanks.
What are your opinions on using API General Cure for treating parasites/flukes instead of prazipro.
wouldn't that cover a larger array of potential problems? or is metro too harsh on fish? I read some people who say that metro is very gentle, others mention that it's hard on the kidneys.
I'm simply asking because my black and white clown, in QT currently, was doing fine for 2 weeks until yesterday when I noticed he was breathing heavily and was no longer interested in food. He has one or two white blotches on his body, which leads me to believe that it is most likely a flulke/parasite invasion. It's definitely not ICH.
He has one other tank mate, a lyretail anthias, who is still looking healthy and eating like a champ.
I have some API General Cure available at home already, so I was just wondering should I just go ahead and dose that, or would it be better to run out and buy some prazipro?
Actually... I think I'm going to go buy some prazipro anyway, for future, but in medicating the problem right now, would dosing prazipro be better? or would general cure be just as good?
Thanks.
The trichlorofon component might have some effect on some species of flukes, but even as a stand alone treatment it would not be my treatment of choice for flukes. The metrondiazole and copper sulfate are useless on flukes, as is the sodium chloride. Far better off with getting some prazi.
Well I suppose I forgot to mention that general cure also comes with prazi in it. The active ingredients are prazi and metro, so that's why I was wondering whether it might be a better choice.
Although, I did run out and get some prazipro, so I'll just end up using that instead.
Thanks!
Although, I did run out and get some prazipro, so I'll just end up using that instead.
Thanks!
I'm not sure, maybe we're speaking about different products?
http://reviews.petsmart.com/4830/10850833/api-api-r-general-cure-powder-reviews/reviews.htm
This is the one that I'm referring to, on the back it says:
Active Ingredients:
250 mg Metronidazole and 75 mg Praziquantel per packet.
Now according to the bottle on prazipro, it yields 2.5mg/L of product if administered properly.
Comparatively through the general cure packets, the directions are to empty one packet (which would be 75mg of prazi) per 10 gallons of water. Since prazipro's directions are based on a 5ml/20 gallon dose, that would mean the equivalent in general cure would be 2 packets, therefore 150mg of prazi per 20 gallons. This would yield a concentration of 1.98mg/L of prazi, using the general cure.
So prazipro has a concentration of 2.5mg/L of prazi, compared to general cure which would have 1.98mg/L.
With that being said, I dosed prazipro yesterday night and this morning woke up to find that a very long (3 inch) strand of half white, half clear string of stool hanging from my clownfish. He was still breathing heavily, and is not interested in food.
Would prazipro, flushing out his internals cause this string of stool? or would this likely be an internal parasite? in which case, I should carbon + water change out the prazipro, and administer the general cure since it contains metro as well?
Thanks for any input!
http://reviews.petsmart.com/4830/10850833/api-api-r-general-cure-powder-reviews/reviews.htm
This is the one that I'm referring to, on the back it says:
Active Ingredients:
250 mg Metronidazole and 75 mg Praziquantel per packet.
Now according to the bottle on prazipro, it yields 2.5mg/L of product if administered properly.
Comparatively through the general cure packets, the directions are to empty one packet (which would be 75mg of prazi) per 10 gallons of water. Since prazipro's directions are based on a 5ml/20 gallon dose, that would mean the equivalent in general cure would be 2 packets, therefore 150mg of prazi per 20 gallons. This would yield a concentration of 1.98mg/L of prazi, using the general cure.
So prazipro has a concentration of 2.5mg/L of prazi, compared to general cure which would have 1.98mg/L.
With that being said, I dosed prazipro yesterday night and this morning woke up to find that a very long (3 inch) strand of half white, half clear string of stool hanging from my clownfish. He was still breathing heavily, and is not interested in food.
Would prazipro, flushing out his internals cause this string of stool? or would this likely be an internal parasite? in which case, I should carbon + water change out the prazipro, and administer the general cure since it contains metro as well?
Thanks for any input!
That's what I figured.
But the stringy stool showed up the morning after the first prazi treatment. Before that, he was only experiencing heavy breathing and loss of appetite. Therefore I was just wondering maybe the stool might be long and clear/white due to the fact that the prazi might be flushing out his system, and since he hasn't eaten in 2 days there wouldn't be anything to flush out, thus a clear stool with white sections.
In any case, considering the possibility of internal parasites, I'm assuming that it would be in better judgement to remove the prazipro through carbon and a water change, and administer the general cure instead?
or should I finish the prazipro treatment for the next 5 days and then start the general cure treatment? Although I fear that if this continues then the little guy might not make it that long.
Thank you very much for your input.
But the stringy stool showed up the morning after the first prazi treatment. Before that, he was only experiencing heavy breathing and loss of appetite. Therefore I was just wondering maybe the stool might be long and clear/white due to the fact that the prazi might be flushing out his system, and since he hasn't eaten in 2 days there wouldn't be anything to flush out, thus a clear stool with white sections.
In any case, considering the possibility of internal parasites, I'm assuming that it would be in better judgement to remove the prazipro through carbon and a water change, and administer the general cure instead?
or should I finish the prazipro treatment for the next 5 days and then start the general cure treatment? Although I fear that if this continues then the little guy might not make it that long.
Thank you very much for your input.
Hmm, well considering the stringy feces showed up the morning after the first treatment, I'm hoping for it being the cause of expelling dead/dying parasites, which would be a good sign.
I'll have a read through the rest of the thread, maybe that'll give me more of an idea what to expect when dealing with the treatment of prazipro.
Thank you.
I'll have a read through the rest of the thread, maybe that'll give me more of an idea what to expect when dealing with the treatment of prazipro.
Thank you.
seahorsedreams
New member
When was the last time they ate? They can have stringy poop if they aren't eating well.
Angels are notorious for carrying flukes. It passes very quickly through other fish. Prazipro works good but very expensive. Freshwater dip any fish you buy. First use RO water and get the ph to your tank. Keep in mind RO water does not have oxygen so use an air stone. Within a few minutes you should see the flukes fall off. They look like small oval / round disks. If you don't see any within a few minutes chances are it does not have flukes. I have learned very expensive lessons, but if you do this before putting them in your tank you should not have problems.
