Nominations

Guys lets remember that we are talking about each others friends here and continuing to provide criticism that is not constructive or is accusational is just poking a beehive with a stick. But please lets keep the conversation going. In a very constructive way I would like to know what about Jack's leadership that you liked? If others believe they have that quality/skillset then they may be motovated to run by your comments. I am sorry you had such a poor experience Chuck. I am sure having a thick skin would be a good quality to have as a canidate in this election.
I am willing to write up a proposal to get voted on my the masses at the meeting for the 3 new positions as I am now a member in good standing (yes, I paid). I am going to start a thread to see what people think/help me draft it and recruit member sponsors. This way we can get it on for the new business at the meeting. I will need help and input...otherwise it will end up being written on the back of a paper menu with red crayon!
 
I am not saying that we should not follow the By-Laws. If I'm not mistaken, the by laws state that the officers will be appointed by a vote. I have not argued that. I feel like I am taking a personal stab at the comment about the barbeque and beers. People like to eat at the meetings, and I have to say that I do make some good barbeque. The beer is optional. I feel like if we have the meetings at our homes, it gives us a chance to share our own aquariums with the other members of the reef club. I am also passionate about my hobby. I take pride in my own aquarium and would absolutely love the opportunity to show my own tank. This whole conversation has been taken out of porportion. I never thought about running for office until I received all the messages and nominations. The club members like my ideas and enjoy my comments, which makes me willing to let the members vote for the best nominee in hopes that I would win. This is not a competition for me. It is only something that I could put my time and effort into something that I already love and believe in. I want to say thank you to all of you who have sent me the private messages thanking me for my thoughts and efforts I put into this hobby. If I am elected for office, I will do all I can to make this the best club it can be.
 
Jason,

It wasn't a stab at all..I love the idea and would attend and think it worthwhile..however it is an event, not the business of running the club. I am unsure how it could be taken as anything but constructive, but thats this medium for you and I am sorry you felt that way.

As far as being passionate, I am and make no apology for it. it is time for action and honestly I am amazed at this thread as a whole. I wasn;t slinging mudd and if the thought is I am then I wish folks luck being on the board lol...I will bow out.
 
Well andy you may want the positions to be appointed but more people have said they wanted them voted in and that they want them to have as much voting power of all the other BOD and yes we will go by the bylaws and as stated we will vote the change to the bylaws. But the fact is if you go by the bylaws we would have no election because of the number of meetings required and not held. I think you do have a set of bylaws and we can go by them for the most part, but if a majority of people want to change something or make a deviation they should have the flexibility. If the new BOD wants to change what we have done they can bring it up in the open and change it.

The big question is what is the harm to have positions voted and to have a say on the BOD? Having 3-4 people control a group of 100 is not as good of having a group of 7. I think we should have the 7 and always have that is just good checks and variety.

Mike you should stay on the ballet expec. now as it does show that you are willing to state your point and if you just let the people that disagree with you shove things down the clubs throat then we would lose the diversity that we now have.
 
Mike you should stay on the ballet expec. now as it does show that you are willing to state your point and if you just let the people that disagree with you shove things down the clubs throat then we would lose the diversity that we now have.


You're right Wayne... I'll stay on the ballot.
 
Jason,

It wasn't a stab at all..I love the idea and would attend and think it worthwhile..however it is an event, not the business of running the club. I am unsure how it could be taken as anything but constructive, but thats this medium for you and I am sorry you felt that way.

As far as being passionate, I am and make no apology for it. it is time for action and honestly I am amazed at this thread as a whole. I wasn;t slinging mudd and if the thought is I am then I wish folks luck being on the board lol...I will bow out.

Andy, seriously everything is good. However your post bothers me just a little. I may be mistaken but I think in post before you have made the cooment as to folks need to have thick skin if they are to be in a position on the BOD. I 100% agree with you simply because there are alot of members in MTRC & there is now way i the world you can make everyone happy all the time. The best we can possibly hope to do is look out for the best interest of the club & keep the majority happy & always try to make as many happy with the club in general.

Now what I dont understand is. I know you are very passoniate about this. It is very easy to tell from not just your post in this thread, but also from other post on this board. I agree there has been some disagreements on certain issues on this thread but it seems like you are giving up before we have even gotten started. If you really want this dont bow out now. Let the folks decide. Its obvious you have quite a following & alot of folks that agree with what you believe.
 
You're right Wayne... I'll stay on the ballot.

That's what im talking about. The more the merrier. Atleast with a good pool of choices folks can't justify griping later on if things don't always please them. Plus I'm sure we all have some good ideas. I'm glad your back in Mike.

Jason
 
Jason are you wanting to be on the ballot for PR or events? or both the events person will be more of a social director and the pr will be the pr between the club stores and public. I think you should run for events.
 
Jason,

This was turning into a ****ing match and I was bowing out if that is what the election was going to become. I will stay in as I have been pm'd and asked to do so.

Regardless of whether I am elected, I do feel these issues needed to be raised and I will continue to do so regardless of whether I am chosen as President or not. I was nominated and accepted as a person of action..I had questions during the year I started asking and it was clear that there were things that needed to be addressed, and rather than sit back, I stepped up. I have always told people to step up and get involved, and If I didn't do it myself then I should just shut my trap.

Wayne, becasue there is a wording error in the by-laws does not mean the whole thing is invalid. if your comment about shoving something down the throat is in regards to me, then address it here as I will be glad to debate it.

The big question is what is the harm to have positions voted and to have a say on the BOD? Having 3-4 people control a group of 100 is not as good of having a group of 7. I think we should have the 7 and always have that is just good checks and variety.

It is a matter of focus. As a member they still have voting rights so I am unsure how they wouldn;t be able to vote. My perspective is one of focus and managment. I am a little confused about how the board is managing the members....the board manages the club. Members vote on the issues at hand. The positions you have outlined are comittes with specialized purpose and focus..and inundating these positions from all board business puts extra work on them in an already volunteer situation. It also allows people who do not have the want or the time to participate without signing up for the additional responsibilites of the board, so I feel it will afford opportunity from a braoder audience to fill these comittee chairs.

I do think we can agree that the by-laws state you must have attended at least 4 meetings for the year (should be previous year). I will defer to you asfor decision, although it is a weak argument to deviate so much from them in my opinion. On the matter of the new offices, there is no grey area to debate and it is remiss to not do this properly. I want the public quorum to speak to the voting members at the meting (where we vote on this) as to my thoughts. Thats what these procedures are spelled out for..to afford each member the right to speak and discuss prior to the vote. It is one of a handful of votes that will need to take place over the course of the year..other votes will be where we are eating and who's buying :D

I am not a hard person to work with, and thus far I have been talking about not only issues identified, but some proposed ways to solve them. I have not heard any other ideas...in the silence it may appear to be forceable, but when I am the only one doing the talking it's hard to put things in perspective as a whole imo.

I expect 99% of my ideas to get shot down by the board and membership...but if that 1% helps make this a better club then I am serving my fellow members.

Mike,

My question to you about how your going to help the club have fun was serious. It was not an attack. I am interested in knowing what your thoughts were becasue you had not taken a position on anything other than to forego the By-laws. It was/is also an opportunity to open dialog on different ideas.
 
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Wayne/// as far as PR Director & event coordinator I honest believe that should be just 1 position instead of 2 seperate jobs. I do think I would do very good at that since I am somewhat of a social butterfly so to speak. The reason why I think they should be 1 in the same is meetings at the LFS is a event as far as club members go aswell is any group buys we may do as a club with them.

On the topic of Pres I will keep my name in the hat since I was nominated. I can't really bow out since I've already posted & encouraged others not to. So I guess keep my name in the hat for both positions.

Andy I'm sure you have some great ideas & I know I haven't been around a whole bunch untill recently but the reason I stayed away is I didn't like the direction things were going. There was way to many little clicks going on & if you weren't part of them you were def able to sense it. I've recieved quite a few pms from very active members from years past you prob don't even know & most folks on here unless they were around 4 or 5 years go wouldn't know either. It really surprised me. They were just dropping to read the boards & they all said the same thing.
It was what's happened to the board. It seems very cold & unwelcoming. This club has lost something on the past couple years & honestly that's what I wanna bring back.
 
Mike,

My question to you about how your going to help the club have fun was serious. It was not an attack. I am interested in knowing what your thoughts were becasue you had not taken a position on anything other than to forego the By-laws. it was/is also an opportunity to open dialog on different ideas.


I appreciate you clearing up that you were'nt attacking cause that's how I took it when I read it. And I apologize for what I said in retalliation to that. :(


I would love to be able to better answer your question andy but since I dont really know what the club is and isnt really capable of doing or has the means to do it's really hard for me to say.... But I do have ideas..

One thing that I think would be fun to do would be to have our own (On the MTRC website) tank/member of the month where we sit down with a member and ask them questions about how they got started in reefing, equipment they are using, etc. along with pics of their set up of course... since it will be every month I dont think we'll have a hard time finding 12 volunteers for that immediately and we could even set up a poll on MTRC as to who the club members would like to be next to get Tank/member of the month award.


Also we can do tutorials on the website that are being done not only by someone who knows what they are doing but that also include someone who doesnt know much about the subject so the right questions can be addressed and people dont feel like they dont even know where to start or that you should be a chemist before attempting to add a... calcium reactor for example... also we can have a poll that asks "what questions would you like to be answered on the _____ tutorial?" and we can address those questions while the tutorial is being done.

And I would be willing to make those things happen, by that I mean interview people and take the pics and give the info to whoever our IT person is so they can post it up on the website.

I know my ideas are WAY out there but since I dont know what the club is actually capable of doing this might just be pointless stuff.

And I dont want to just ignore the by laws but I didnt really think (and still dont) that the addition of new positions would have been offensive to anyone, but I could very well be wrong.
 
One thing that I think would be fun to do would be to have our own (On the MTRC website) tank/member of the month where we sit down with a member and ask them questions about how they got started in reefing, equipment they are using, etc. along with pics of their set up of course... since it will be every month I dont think we'll have a hard time finding 12 volunteers for that immediately and we could even set up a poll on MTRC as to who the club members would like to be next to get Tank/member of the month award.

Also we can do tutorials on the website that are being done not only by someone who knows what they are doing but that also include someone who doesnt know much about the subject so the right questions can be addressed and people dont feel like they dont even know where to start or that you should be a chemist before attempting to add a... calcium reactor for example... also we can have a poll that asks "what questions would you like to be answered on the _____ tutorial?" and we can address those questions while the tutorial is being done.


Ya see Mike,

these are ideas that I have had since the outset (I redid the site and run the site currently)...so it appears we are much more aligned than perhaps was initially thought? ;)

The engine the site runs on is architected for articles and blogs...works very well for it. I am in on that and acvtually have posted a few articles under the FAQ section as good information and examples over the past few months. Take a look and add to your hearts desire!!.

Oh, and as for not knowing what the club is capable of doing, anything we set our minds too! :)
 
Figure I will throw my 2 cents in.

We were not members last year mainly because we were too busy but also because we sensed the "click" Jason
has described and we felt like outsiders. This was mostly our fault for not participating more. I vowed to participate
more this year but so far life has been in the way.

I agree club membership should be fun but a collective of 100+ people have the capability of doing good things
for the hobby and other members that individuals cannot accomplish. Board members should realize this and
sacrifice their time and energy to organize volunteer members for the greater good of the club.

I posted a link on the mtrc board to what in my opinion is some very good reading for future board members about things
the club can do to make membership fun and grow the hobby.

I would like to hear other ideas and what those running for office would like to accomplish this year.

Jack
 
Ya see Mike,

these are ideas that I have had since the outset (I redid the site and run the site currently)...so it appears we are much more aligned than perhaps was initially thought?

The engine the site runs on is architected for articles and blogs...works very well for it. I am in on that and acvtually have posted a few articles under the FAQ section as good information and examples over the past few months. Take a look and add to your hearts desire!!.

Oh, and as for not knowing what the club is capable of doing, anything we set our minds too!


Yeah we really are, I did not know that you ran the website...actually Besides Wayne being pres. and Norman being Treasurer I dont know who holds any of the other current positions.

I guess its just a matter of coming up with an interesting format and making it in a way that people find appealing... We already have one volunteer for a possible tank of the month and we havent even made anything official. sweet!

I mean even if I do not become part of the BOD i still want to be active and see these projects thru (assuming the BOD approves the projects to begin with) cause I do think it will be fun and informative at the same time.

We'll see how everything plays out.
 
In keeping the nominations flowing we will take up voting on the additional BOD at the Feb meeting but we will not vote at that meeting as it would Violate the "Constitution of the Middle Tennessee Reef Club" as the election is to be in March. I was trying to keep this simple and have both the change of the Const. and elections at the same time but we will separate them. Andy you will have some time to let people know why you are against this action as anyone else that wants to speak they will also. All paid members will have the opportunity to speak and be counted so if they can not make the meeting they can vote by e-mail. We will though still take nominations for the positions so if anyone wants to vote on the positions by a secrete ballot they can get it at the meeting if the positions are not approved by the club then the results will not be posted.

As far as your comment Andy if the new positions are not elected then they are not part of the BOD and do not have any authority to vote and if the President choses to replace them he has the authority. You may want to reread it. If we elect them then they all have the same authority.
 

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