Novices need LED lighting questions answered.

Hello I have a question about lighting. I am currently working on a 75 gallon predator tank what was wondering what the best led all in one lighting system with remote is? My price range is up to 300$.

Well, for a fish only tank, almost any white light will do, the blue is much more for coral and anemones that use the blue to do photosynthesis. You might look at a Current Orbit fixture. They are less powerful but have way more than enough light for a fish only tank and they have lots of controls and are the least expensive in a full control led fixture.

If you intend to have corals or anemones in the tank, this light will be a bit weak on a 20" to 24" deep tank. The least expensive, full control led fixture would be a Reef Breeders Photon V2+. It will be more expensive than the Current Orbit because it uses 3 and 5 watt Cree and OSRAM leds rather than cheap 0.3 to o.5 watt leds.
 
Starting a 40 gallon reef tank

Starting a 40 gallon reef tank

Join Date: Jul 2019
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Starting a 40 gallon reef tank
So I am pretty experienced regarding freshwater tanks and have been doing some pretty cool tanks for a while. But I recently bought a 40 gallon tank and decided that I want to try something new (I know saltwater tanks are a whole nother beast). So I am starting a reef tank and for the past week I have been vigorously studying reef tanks but I still feel like I don't know enough. I don't really want to spend too much on lighting and im seeing that a lot of the lights are really expensive. Does anyone recommend any cheaper lights?
Thanks so much in advance!
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Starting a 40 gallon reef tank
So I am pretty experienced regarding freshwater tanks and have been doing some pretty cool tanks for a while. But I recently bought a 40 gallon tank and decided that I want to try something new (I know saltwater tanks are a whole nother beast). So I am starting a reef tank and for the past week I have been vigorously studying reef tanks but I still feel like I don't know enough. I don't really want to spend too much on lighting and im seeing that a lot of the lights are really expensive. Does anyone recommend any cheaper lights?
Thanks so much in advance!

I'll assume your 40g tank is a standard 36" long version. And that your plan is to keep corals as well as fish (corals make a huge difference in how much light you need).

You can get any number of t5 fluorescent fixtures and I'd recommend thyou conside at least a 4 bulb version. These have been around in the saltwater aquarium for many years. Or you could use the newer led lights which have come down in price and are fairly compatible to t5's in cost. Google Mars Aqua (probably selling on Amazon). Their 165 is about $100 and you'll likely need 2. They also make a 300 version that is 32" and still about $200. If you really want economy and are willing to have slightly dimmer light at the ends of the tank, you might try this unit.

https://www.amazon.com/WillsLed-Aqu...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GDAK52W6WA26EAT4YHS1

It looks like most other Chinese black box fixtures, but it's a different shape. At 21" it will probably leave the ends of your tank dimmer, but you probably won't have coral out there anyway. And it's only $79. I don't know of anybody who has used this brand before, but the Mars Aqua has been around for more than 3 or 4 years and lots of reefers use them.

I hope that helps some? Good luck with your foray into the world of saltwater. It's really not as hard as it looks, but it can be quite expensive. If your budget is really tight, you may want to do even more research.
 
Getting back into the game after being away for 15 years! This thread has been super helpful - when I left, LEDs were just starting to come around.

How well do the Mars Aqua fixtures stay level when you have them daisy chained? Seems like you'd need to zip tie up the power cables, too? I'd like an open top on the 90 gallon, but that requires two of the Mars Aqua 24" fixtures... so I'm probably looking at a hood.
 
It can be hard to keep any led fixture level when they are hung rather than hard mounted. You might look into doing a DIY pair of flat bars that could go between the 2 fixtures and be held in place with the threaded mounts that stick up off the top of the fixture and then tighten down with the hangers themselves.
 
It can be hard to keep any led fixture level when they are hung rather than hard mounted. You might look into doing a DIY pair of flat bars that could go between the 2 fixtures and be held in place with the threaded mounts that stick up off the top of the fixture and then tighten down with the hangers themselves.

Fantastic input, thanks Ron!

I may end up pulling the trigger on the 48" Reef Breeder system - it's much slicker and higher-end looking if I do end up going without a hood.

Definitely want to run some sunrise/sunset programs - so looks like that's the way to go instead of the cheaper units?
 
Fantastic input, thanks Ron!

I may end up pulling the trigger on the 48" Reef Breeder system - it's much slicker and higher-end looking if I do end up going without a hood.

Definitely want to run some sunrise/sunset programs - so looks like that's the way to go instead of the cheaper units?

That would be an excellent choice IMHO! I have Reef Breeder Photons V2+ over both my tanks. I can't say a single bad thing about them. They make great light, are very controllable and run very cool. As far as I'm concerned, if you want an led that has sunrise/sunset and 6 channels of color control, these ar by far your best bang for your dollar.
 
Fluval Sea LED

Fluval Sea LED

1. Reef LED versus fish-only LED---how to buy. What to consider.
Fish only, most any led will do fine, even the Current and Marineland with 0.5 watt leds
Mixed reef, any fixture with 3 watt leds, even if only driven to 1.9 watts like the Mars Aqua
SPS reef, most fixtures with 3 watt leds. Coverage is more important (below).

2. Cost advantage? or is it a wash, if you were absolutely starting from no-lights?
Some leds are more expensive than others, but IMHO, most of the 3 watt inexpensive leds are good enough to keep sps tanks (mine has been running for 3 years now and is over grown with sps and lps corals). You save on bulbs and that's a good thing. The fixture itself is a bit more efficient than t5 and even more than MH. If you were to pick MH, would you need a chiller? I did. And my home A/C ran more as well. So I got less than $1000 on leds and saved more than the cost of them in under 2 years (t5 bulbs, MH bulbs, chiller electrical use and home A/C electrical use).

3. What is par?
Photosyntheticly Active Radiation. It's the light wavelengths that plants (algae) use to do photosynthesis. And the zooxanthellae (algae) in our corals use mostly (but not exclusively) blue spectrum. Which is why most led fixtures have lots of blue leds.

4. How does width and depth of tank affect the brand you buy and the number of units you need?
Width is most important as it pertains to coverage, just like how long should your t5 bulbs be or how many MH bulbs do you need. As for depth, shallow tanks of 12" or less can use most any led (assuming it's dimmable and these days they all should be). 12" to 30" deep, most any 3 watt led can create more than enough PAR to 30". Deeper than 30" and you need to pay close attention and even do some testing on your own. But there aren't too many tanks deeper than 30", sure there are some, but is a small minority.

5. What about pre-set programs? Doing your own?
You don't NEED programs. Your fish and corals don't NEED programs. This is an option that is strictly a human desire. I like having programmable dimming so I can have my tanks feel a bit more natural. I like having sunrise and sunset so my take looks different as the day goes by. Heck, the wave maker pumps at the ends of my tank alternate in 6 hour cycles plus 2 hours of overlap where both run just to simulate tides as well But my fish and corals could care less about the lights. The tides do tend to keep the tank a bit more stirred up and cleaned out.

6. What about building your own?
If you are big into DIY, go for it. It use to be the cheaper way to go just a couple of years ago. But with the proliferation of inexpensive led fixtures from China, you can get very good quality (even programmable) led fixtures for less that the cost of a similar DIY fixture.

7. Advice for running LED in your tank: percentage of power, etc. Acclimation to light. Special care when lights come on after a long period of darkness, say, a power outage lasting more than a day.
If your system is new and you are using leds from the start, run them at half power and ramp them up over time. I recommend that most 2 channel fixtures run at 50% blue and 50% white to start. Then if you up the blue to get a cooler white look, dial the white down a bit as well, say 60% blue and 40% white. Over time you can increase the total percentage of power. I run mine with a 5 hour sunrise (all blue the first couple of hours at dawn. Then a 4 hour midday of 100% blue and 50% white (I've taken 3 years to get them that high). Then a 6 hour sunset (the last 3 hours are all blue). I figure I get 4 hours of good PAR during midday and an additional 1 or 2 hours before and after midday. So that's 6 to 8 hours of enough PAR for the zooxanthellae to do photosynthesis. BTW, most zooxanthellae will only do photosynthesis for 6 to 8 hours and then shut down any way.
I have no concerns about going back to my normal power levels after a 2 or 3 day power outage or enforced darkness to eliminate algae or bacteria blooms. The pigment protections that corals develop to block light they don't want doesn't fade away that fast. Just like a human with a good tan, it doesn't fade away in just a day or even three.

Hi Ron Reefman,

I'm in the process of setting up a 55 gallon tank and was wondering what your opinion is on the 48" Fluval Sea 3.0 LED light is? Like you I want the dusk, dawn and moon lights. Do you think later on when the tank is ready, this lighting will be enough to sustain soft corals and an anemone? My local fish store sales them and from what I've read online they seem like they would work well. I don't plan on doing any SPS or LPS corals. I would like to get some input before I buy on how well these would work on a reef tank.
 
Jumping back in the hobby

Jumping back in the hobby

I have a 180g tank and I see quite a bit has changed in the past 10 years. I am going to have to upgrade from my T5 lighting. From advice given here, I can use (2) Photon 32" V2+ units to cover the tank (mostly). That will cost approx. $1,000+. It was also recommended that I go with 3 Kessil A360WE or 360X which will cost a few hundred more.

For LPS/zoas tank and maybe some caps once I get more comfortable, which would be the better fit for the tank dimensions (72x24x24)? I don't think I will use a canopy this time.

Thanks,
AJ
 
I have a 180g tank and I see quite a bit has changed in the past 10 years. I am going to have to upgrade from my T5 lighting. From advice given here, I can use (2) Photon 32" V2+ units to cover the tank (mostly). That will cost approx. $1,000+. It was also recommended that I go with 3 Kessil A360WE or 360X which will cost a few hundred more.

For LPS/zoas tank and maybe some caps once I get more comfortable, which would be the better fit for the tank dimensions (72x24x24)? I don't think I will use a canopy this time.

Thanks,
AJ

Bulk Reef Supply has very up to date YouTube videos that will probably answer your questions. They recommend lights, how far off the water to get the best coverage and intensity settings.
 
And I am looking for a led fixture that doesnt have a whole lot of extra features, I dont need a phone app or anything like that
 
Hi Ron Reefman,

I'm in the process of setting up a 55 gallon tank and was wondering what your opinion is on the 48" Fluval Sea 3.0 LED light is? Like you I want the dusk, dawn and moon lights. Do you think later on when the tank is ready, this lighting will be enough to sustain soft corals and an anemone? My local fish store sales them and from what I've read online they seem like they would work well. I don't plan on doing any SPS or LPS corals. I would like to get some input before I buy on how well these would work on a reef tank.

I am considering these lights as well
 
Totally confounded on lighting. LOL

Totally confounded on lighting. LOL

Hey all,

I'm hoping to get some help as I'm totally confounded regarding lighting. Some of it is sticker shock as well.

I've been trying to search on here and other locations to find what type of lights (and especially how many) I need for the new tank I'm picking up later today.

It is a 135g Peninsula tank (overflow at one end) that is 72" x 18" x 24" according to the person I'm picking it up from. It does have a canopy, so I can mount the lights to that (if it matters).

With that being said, the person had Radions but sold them beforehand and replaced them with just a set of T-5s. I would like to go LEDs because they seem to last longer, are easier (I think) and no bulb changes and should work well with corals.

I just want fish and a normal set of corals. Nothing exotic or fancy that are super hard to keep. I'm still doing my research on that.

Anyway, what LED lights should I consider for the size of the tank? How many of these lights do I need?

I just about choked because I looked up the Radion X30 Pro (or even the Blue) and they were like $860 EACH and upon looking at their website, it looks like I need 3 of these. That is insane to me. $2600 for lights. I just about died. So, I have been watching videos on Bulk Reef's YouTube website to try and see what they suggest and, of course, they suggest the Radions. However, they also did suggest the Kessil A360X, so I was thinking of those, but those are $460 each. Still, if I need three of them, that ends up being about $1400, plus the wi-fi dongle and K-link wires and all that stuff.

So, in short, do I really need three of these to cover the size of the tank? On my last setup 10 years ago, I ran six T-5s on a 110g tank (only 60" long). However, I never got that setup going, so I don't know if those were okay or not.

I like the idea of the Radion LEDs because it looks like you can setup a full dusk to dawn setup where the lights will work like the sun does and such. Plus, I do like the blue moonlights at the very beginning and ending of the lighting. I don't know if the Kessil A360x do that or not. I've been trying to search here to see if anyone has them and what they think.

I'm sorry for the super long post, but just wanted to get all of my info out there and see what I can use. I reaaaaallly don't want to pay like $3k for lighting if I don't have to. That is like almost triple of what I'm paying for the tank setup I'm getting today. Even the Kessil's make me hurt, but I'm considering them, but wanted feedback first.

Also, I believe he said the T-5s he has on the tank now are 6 footers, so should I keep the T-5s on the tank and run them and add the Kessils (or whatever other LEDs are suggested) to it or just run the Kessils/LEDs themselves and just store the T-5s. Bulk Reef Supply suggested in their "best of 2019" lighting video to run the T-5s and add the Kessils to it, but they were talking about a four foot tank and not a six foot tank like I have.

Again, any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
I'm with you on the sticker shock of LEDs. They are amazing technology, with tons of cool features. I'm not rich enough to justify such an expensive 'want'. So I'm still using my metal halide setup I've had for 15 years or so, to cover my 'need'.

For me it helps to spread out cost over time, when it comes to expensive stuff. You could start out with one LED fixture, and supplement it with the T5s you already have. Then add more LEDs down the road, as you get more serious about reef keeping.

The dawn and dusk blue effect is pretty sweet. I get it with a blue LED flood light from home depot, on an appliance timer. It's a bit cheaper...
 
I'm with you on the sticker shock of LEDs. They are amazing technology, with tons of cool features. I'm not rich enough to justify such an expensive 'want'. So I'm still using my metal halide setup I've had for 15 years or so, to cover my 'need'.

For me it helps to spread out cost over time, when it comes to expensive stuff. You could start out with one LED fixture, and supplement it with the T5s you already have. Then add more LEDs down the road, as you get more serious about reef keeping.

The dawn and dusk blue effect is pretty sweet. I get it with a blue LED flood light from home depot, on an appliance timer. It's a bit cheaper...

Michael - Thanks for the ideas. I'm glad I'm not the only one with sticker shock. LOL I get it, just like you, that the technology is cool and they are trying to make things work better than the tried and true T-5s and/or MHs. I almost considered trying to find older MHs to do things cheaper and use those along with the T5-s that are coming with the tank. I think he has two T-5s on each side (front and back) of the tank, so I could put the LEDs (or MHs if I try that route) in the middle.

Another crazy question I have is this...what color bulbs should I run in the T-5s if I add either MHs or LEDs (most likely) to that setup? I haven't seen any of the videos mention which T-5 bulbs to use in a combo with LEDs. Should all of them be super actinic, regular actinic or should two be actinic and two be regular daylight?

It's good that we have options, but sometimes there are toooooo many options to try and figure out what to do. That's where I'm at. LOL
 
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