ORA Grade A Picasso Pair for sale at LA

[GSMguy]

My LFS ordered me a pair of ORA grade A, they came in sick and both died luckily i was able to see them before buying and turned them down. i think he got 2 more in and one survived but that is not good enough, i wish these fish were coming as healthy as their Frags.

i agree with Nate that pair on LA looks sick there is stringy poo and a clear lesion on the fish's head.

 

[nate4546]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13255166#post13255166 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
I'm sure they don't send them out sick.

I'm starting to wonder if that comment is correct:
So many ORA fish are infected with the same symptoms from retailers everywhere.

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13254606#post13254606 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wicked_NaCl_h2o
I think they should give these two to todd.

It would be nice of them, considering they gave him an unhealthy pair.

He he he. Thanks Christina. I agree with you too.

I did think about it, but I am having back surgery on the 15th, so I am going to hold off an getting anything until after I can take care of this without screwing anything up.

 

[elegance coral]

I have to agree about the poor quality ORA clowns. It's really a shame because their Picassos have soooooo much potential. I bought two semi Picassos about two months ago. They were both very thin, pale, and sickly looking. I figured I could nurse them back to health. After about the first week, one of them simply disappeared. I have been feeding the other one at least three times a day. It has grown, but hasn't put on any muscle mass or colored up any. You can still see the ridge down its side where its spine is. Today it just stoped eating. It's in the same water with 4 other clowns that look and feed great.
I want a pair of grade A Picassos so bad I can taste it. I wouldn't mind paying the high price tag either, if the fish were healthy. I just can't see paying $400 for a pair of malnourished, sickly fish.

 

[TheOtherReefer]

SOLD!!! someone bought them

 

[myreefcentral]

does anyone know who?

 

[elegance coral]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13275022#post13275022 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TheOtherReefer
SOLD!!! someone bought them

Or one of them died.

 

[basser1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13275558#post13275558 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myreefcentral
does anyone know who?

It wasn't me!! All I have are these "sickly" looking Picaasos, LOL!!

 

[melanotaenia]

I cannot believe someone would have paid for them @ 400 bucks, they used to be 99 bucks a piece, now they have skyrocketed in price; they are not even a rare fish persay, just an abberation in the bars of certain fry.

LA prices sometimes are a little out of hand even given their 14 day guarantee

 

[rfd515]

LA prices sometimes are a little out of hand even given their 14 day guarantee [/B]

I would say their prices can't be that crazy if obviously someone is willing to pay them.

 

[TheOtherReefer]

LOL. Maybe one of them died. Serves them right for charging so much...poor little fish.

 

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13278048#post13278048 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by basser1
It wasn't me!! All I have are these "sickly" looking Picaasos, LOL!!

yes those definitely look sick send them to me i will try and save them...



look not to be rude, just because your pair is healthy doesn't Debunk this theory that SOME ORA picassos are ill when they arrive at LFS,

i have never seen a pair of rods clowns show up with stringy poo and lesions and im not saying that rods are the only good clowns just that it is possible for tank raised clowns to show up healthy.

 

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13281269#post13281269 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rfd515
I would say their prices can't be that crazy if obviously someone is willing to pay them.

some people have lots of money and no time, for them the search for picasso is the hard part, the money is easy.

if they can just check divers den once a day they dont have to do much work to find a pair.

 

[boozeman]

looks like LA also sold the Gem Tang they had up for sale at almost 3k !

 

[elegance coral]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13281744#post13281744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
look not to be rude, just because your pair is healthy doesn't Debunk this theory that SOME ORA picassos are ill when they arrive at LFS,

I would say more than "some" of the ORA Picassos show up ill. Most of the ones I've seen show up malnurished and sickly looking.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13281744#post13281744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
i have never seen a pair of rods clowns show up with stringy poo and lesions and im not saying that rods are the only good clowns just that it is possible for tank raised clowns to show up healthy. [/B]

That's why this is such a shame. These are amazing fish, and there is no excuse for keeping them under conditions that produce such low quality fish. Clowns aren't that demanding. I understand it's a business, and the more they feed their fish the smaller the profit gets, but come on! These fish shouldn't be showing up all anorexic looking.

 

[phender]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13282369#post13282369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
......That's why this is such a shame. These are amazing fish, and there is no excuse for keeping them under conditions that produce such low quality fish. Clowns aren't that demanding. I understand it's a business, and the more they feed their fish the smaller the profit gets, but come on! These fish shouldn't be showing up all anorexic looking.

I have to agree. Raising clowns that don't have water quality or feeding caused deformities is not that difficult. The misshaped heads, gill plates, lower jaws, etc. are all water quality issues.

I don't want to be mean, but in the "sickly" picassos picture, the colors are beautiful, but the fish themselves, although healthy, are unattractive to me because their heads are so misshaped.

 

[Jamie1210]

Phender, what makes a clown's head misshaped? I can't tell bc they look ok to me

 

[Tyler.L]

i'm with phender...there noses are pushed in on them first time i saw this pic i noticed it. I had a b&w ocellaris and had the same thing then i got a maroon baby and it was in awful shape hadnt noticed it in the store....i've seen lately alot of tank raised clowns that have genetic deformities....

 

[phender]

Here is a pic of a couple wc percs. Sorry its the best pic I had. Notice how their nose extends way beyond their eyes and it is difficult to tell where their head ends and their body begins.

In the clowns in the above pic the mouth is very close to the eye. In the upper fish the head jutts out from the body and almost appears to be too small for the body.
If you are asking what causes this, it is poor water quality during development and growth. It is not a genetic deformity.

 

[slojmn]

I had a terrible time with ORA Grade A Picassos last November/December. I bought a pair, they died relatively quickly in the tank...they just stopped eating and over the course of a week died. The retailer was nice enough to get me a second pair...same exact scenario. I was out the money at that point. OUCH

Later, 4 months down the road someone on RC was breaking down their tank and sold me a young pair of ORA Grade A Picassos...beautiful markings...and they looked super healthy with great color. They are growing and doing excellently. But in the long run I found the young ones coming into the LFS to be unhealthy and I have heard many stories of a lot of losses both from hobbyists and retailers. Kind of to bad. I hear stories of people playing it off as "just a few here and there are unhealthy" but after keeping my eyes and ears open for the last 15 months I think it is a lot more than just a few unhealthy ones here and there, just my two cents worth.

BTW, I absolutely love my ORA Picassos and feel grateful to have a nice, beautiful, healthy pair. I think they probably have some of the classic small head issues and a bit of and underbite. I think that is probably what the discerning eye would notice. Never the less, I love them and I am glad to have them. Here they are a day or two in my tank, 6 months ago. They are side by side so you cannot see the male, but you get the idea, lol. They are so gorgeous now, a deeper orange and they are just starting to darken ever so slightly around the while areas.