(OT) Economy

jansenwrasse

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Please don't turn this into a political debate :)

Has the economy effected you? personally I want to start adding more $$$ into my 401K you know buy low sell high!

I wonder how christmas and the holidays are going to be this year.
 
I just got done with college. I haven't seen as many openings as I did a year or two ago in the computer field. I'm not 100% sure if it's the economy, or just the natural swing of companies filling positions and then people leaving. Finding a job is a bit tough, so it has effected me.
 
It hasn't yet affected me much, although my investments are in the toilet (10-20% lower than the amount I've actually invested).

I've recently started to consider moving back in with my parents to help them pay off their chunk of my student loans (converting my rent and discretionary funds into loan repayments), since at this rate, they'll never be able to retire.
 
I am no economist but I would be careful where you put your money if you cant afford to lose it. As it stands the 700 billion dollar bailout is hitting some really rough waters and if it doesn't get straightened out more banks and private sector companies are going to fail. The problem lies in the fact that many business rely on day to day loans to operate. These loans along with the rest of the credit markets are rapidly drying up business without large reserves are going to be crippled. I believe we are in modern day uncharted waters and the tried and true logic of 3 years ago of buy low sell high is rapidly changing to buy low hope the company doesn't fold sell high. Now I will repeat that I am no economist, but as it stands there are no safe bets and I don't think we are even close to the bottom of the valley.
Rob
 
I'll say it, I'm scared. I feel that I've done everything right that is within my control and it may not be enough. I put money into my 401K and it's value keeps going down. I'm too scared to invest in the stock market as I dont want more big losses (I got hurt with the dot.com fall out).

Sometimes I wonder if having a large tank with all of it's added time and expense is worth it.

These are scary times.
 
Well, we as a world are sitting on the edge of the abyss and it's scaring the crap out of me. I don't know what the solution is either, tbh, I'm not even sure if these bailouts are the answer. We're selling America's future to the World by increasing the national debt like this to buy these companies out, just so that people can feel safe. The fact that this whole problem was created by bigwigs in wallstreet that essentially said, 'no we don't need those old regulations, we'll be fine regulating ourselves.' And als always Greed is more powerful than Honesty, and loans and ratings they KNEW were wrong were issued just to make a quick buck. It INFURIATES me that the same mentality that caused the economiclaly localized Enron disaster (still fresh enough in our minds) resurfaced again: make a quick buck regardless of it's effect on anyone else. Except this time anyone else is 6.5 billion people. And even as people were saying that these loans were a bad idea, nobody listened and they gave out more. I remember news sources saying that all these subprime loans were a problem back in 2005. And for 2 more years nobody cared, nobody listened. The banks gave these loans out (even the good ones), and short-sighted and uneducated consumers bought them anyways. Heck, even buisnesses took similar loans.

All the while nothing is being done about the troubles that all the retiring babyboomers are going to cause when they are forced to take $$ out of the market so that it can be taxed at 69.5 years old. So even if by some miracle these buyouts suceed in preventing a total collapse of the market, it may only be postponing the inevitable.

Yours truly wants to find everyone who ever approved any subprime loan, the creators of the Fed, and anyone else who'se morgatged this country's future and have an infamous quote be their entire tombstone, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
 
My Mother had about 150K in the market last year and luckily for her, her instincts jumped in and she told her broker to pull out all assets and put them into an average CD... If she didn't, she would be at about 30k right now, or atleast thats whats her broker told her last month....

I agree with Chris that I have started to think about my spending habits... I mean I'm only basically 24 and I have some unnappealing habits in my mind... atleast I dont have thousands in credit debt like some friends I have, but still... as of late, thursday when my check is deposited, I think, hmm... what can I buy with this... and that isn't right.... especially with the market the way it is and the future of social security up in the air... I should of prob started saving at 16 when i started working... who knows, if I wait a few more years to put money, I may have little to live on if I decide to retire one day.... scary world right now....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13429877#post13429877 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thriceanangel
Chrisguy how old are you??
38, approaching 39. Thankfully I am young enough that I should live past this screwup and see thing turn back around.
 
Ski- you make a very good point, interesting read.

Being as young as I am, the best I can do is to educate myself on the upcoming election and vote. I just hope the best man wins...
 
Our consulting business has been slow because of banks tightening their spending. Our services help grow deposits, which is what banks really need when capital is hard to come by. In theory, we should be busy when times are hard for banks, but the reality is that they tighten the belt when the industry is volatile. Some of the banks that we do work with have been acquired by ones that we don't do any work with. So things will be interesting for a while. Overall, I think that things will stay uncomfortable for at least a year.

If you are concerned about your investments, I'd sit down with a financial planner. i like to think that I know a lot about banking and finance, but I still sit down with someone who's job is dedicated to understanding stocks and funds.

One thing that was pointed out to me was how much growth the bond market saw after the recession in 2001. Bonds are normally a safe play in tough times, but it may also be an opportunity for growth over the next year or two.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but: People don't have the faith they used to in the American economy. (obvious) Therefore no one is investing in it. This alone helps it crumble. My problem is that I know that I shouldn't but I so baddly want to pull everything I have invested out and stuff it in my mattress.

I'm only 25 but I know if we make it out of this, those that stay in for the long haul will make out in the end. My 401k may plumit to 10% of what it is now but after the economy bounces back it will come right back up and then some. Now like I said, I'm only 25 and gambeling with about $6k. It's not like I'm 48 and gambling with $120k, $200k, $500k that I've worked forever to save.

Now if the economy goes beond thunderdome then I guess I would have made the wrong decision. (Someone please get that refrence)
 
I don't think there should be a bail out what happens if they do it again ,the tax payers alway have to pay for there mistakes. they don't help us when we get in to a crisis . I am 57 and hope to retire in 5 yrs. ,but the way everything is looking maybe not.
 
bailout or no bailout, everybody is going to pay. One way or another, you're going to pay. And remember, the people who made the decisions, the same people that said in march that things were going good, made more money last year that most of us will ever make in out lifetime.
 
most would probably insist that I am crazy but, I wish I had the $ to buy lots and lots of stock I personally think it is at the lowest it is going to get. I think that companies realize that if this bail out happens that the loans are going to start being approved. Great time to buy IMHO, but I am not a economist, nor do I know the first thing about it. ;)

Hope everone makes it through ok!
 
If I had some free money to invest in something or could do it through my 401k I would invest everything into precious metals. If anyone has or cares to take a look there values only go up. There also an easy asset to liquidate if neccesary. Just my 2 cents though.
 
I've been considering purchasing precious metal bullion's for the last week or so... gold, silver, palladium and platinum are readily available and def going to hold their value within a certain percent since its international. I just dont know how to go about doing it hahaha...

I'm only 23 but I have a federal job where I put 5% of my pay check into a Thrift Savings Plan (401k equiv.)... I'm still worried about it, how could you not be if its your money?
 
I think gold is overpriced 8 years ago it was about 300 now it is about 850 and not long ago it went up to 1000.
 
Well, we as a world are sitting on the edge of the abyss and it's scaring the crap out of me. posted by skifletch.

We always have been and likely always will be and not just the markets.
 
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