pico reef pest algae problem challenge

[brandon429]

I'm more concerned about residual peroxide than the algae nutrients

I find those to be miniscule. In other peroxide threads we let them die off internally no prob, many different species

Its my view that algae of any species holds little bound nutrient compared to the feed we input daily and our bioloading

 

[reefknight]

Agree with the residual peroxide that will have seeped into the pores of the rock. Has anyone attempted to soak the treated rock? Off the top of my head, what if you were to treat the rock and rinse, take existing tank water in a brute can with a heater and a power head and soak for a day? Maybe add a small amount of baking soda to neutralize the peroxide?

Since I'm really new to all this, I'm not sure if these suggestions have been made before and maybe tried and failed or not.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

 

[brandon429]

It works so fast we never needed more than a three minute dip
With pics the strategy will be revealed
We'll just repeat what's worked for others on here depending on the organism and its placement

 

[reefknight]

Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question. Not soak the rock in the peroxide, but in saltwater in hopes of dissipating the residual effects.

I can't find my card reader, so iPhone pictures are all that I have time for today.

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Heavy growth


To be continued..

 

[reefknight]

More growth photos

 

[brandon429]

That's what i'm talking about right there

not a hideous invasion but one that has a low profile and occupies a notable surface area


Any systemic treatments will have to run for a long time to make a dent

that kind of red algae takes 5 days with direct application
We need to spray peroxide on the affected area

even though your tank is huge and will take signifigant work I'm certain you can beat it by taking the rocks and treating externally

I don't know about those other methods but this one is work heavy and guaranteed to work

an external treatment even a large one will not harm the filter bacteria on your rocks
That's a concern for the first time run I know but look how much we've tested it

the bommie style placement is easy to work with because the rocks don't support a huge structure

so it's a pain, but if you take out the rocks and treat externally, it'll kill it all in about 1 or 2 passes


After a ten day dieoff period

Once you get those rocks out, hit the algae good you might get it in one pass

Peroxide is still a preferable method of removal for you because you want to kill all the biomass with that kind of invader

 

[KafudaFish]

I found two more little patches of HA on one of the rocks and I spot treated while doing a WC.

No pictures though because I was having help.

 

[brandon429]

the certainties Reefknight are notable recession after 1 treatment and an immediate improvement in about 5 to 8 days

use a brand new unopened bottle of peroxide

the variables are how many times you will h ave to re treat it to catch it all

Me too Kafuda just hit a tiny area of red algae

 

[reefknight]

Well the treatment will begin on Sunday with the right side island. There are only a few corals sitting on those rocks, so treating them won't be the problem. Getting them back in the tank in an appeasing manner to the wife will be though. :headwally:

Have no idea of how long it took, lol!

Do you think hitting all the rock on that side at one time would cause an issue? It's about half of the total volume of rock in the tank. I've got few days off and have to make use of what I do have. Hit that side this week, the other side in about two weeks and hopefully we catch in all in one go.

 

[mkbtank]

The pics with one side treated should be great.

 

[brandon429]

The external treatments import no peroxide into the tank so its safe to do any amount you want.

 

[reefknight]

Awesome guys!

After work today I'll pick up a couple bottles of peroxide and tomorrow we get down to business. I'm planning on rinsing the rock in SW removed during a water change. With my RO system being down, I only have so much newly made SW so I do not want to waste it on rinsing the rock only to be discarded.

 

[reefknight]

Day 49 with Kent Tech M, albeit I just did my second water change without adding anymore allowing the Mag to slowly get to normal levels.

Since I have been following the regime of covering any remaining patches with: day 1, kalk/rodi/H2O2 day 2, H2O2 & day 3 off, I AM 99.9% ALGAE FREE!

It appeared to be multiple types of Algae, including Bryopsis, and others....that were resistant to algae-fix and Somewhat to Kent's Tech M.

The final test will be after the carbon is back on line and removes whatever chemical that caused algae to be distressed. I'll be ready to paste it like Aptasia...

Hey fellow ARC'er!

How's your treatment proceeding at this point? I see you were dosing straight to the tank, did you lose any livestock during this treatment?

 

[brandon429]

Randy is not for systemic dosing

Randy is not for systemic dosing

I think any user of peroxide should consider all points good and bad and the fact our top experts don't jump on board so easily

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140771

This thread is part of something new, we are submitting our tanks to an experimental method.


Figuring out how peroxide works is beginning to trail behind the rate of gaining its benefits. That's been an interesting part of reading online about it, nobody really knows how or why it works, it shouldn't. It should be a systemic sterilizing agent but its not, in time i'm sure formal articles will arise on the matter it will be interesting to see if they are for or against using it.

having a centralized collection of before, after, and follow up pics will be an invaluable resource/



Most peroxide threads are collections of varied methods and doses coming from all angles, not a repeat of three different application types that seem to have pretty high outcome predictability. What we are doing is saying within these three application methods (external treatment, drain and treat, systemic 1ml/10gals when sensitive organisms are considered) you can wipe out an invader, control the collateral effects to the aquarium and we don't know why it works so good. We don't know why its so detrimental to algae and not detrimental to filtration bacteria.

all these tanks using peroxide don't find ammonia spikes so the filter bed remains intact it seems

This is exactly what the dawn of pico reefing was like, nobody was quick to endorse it because fad methods tend to cause harm before help. For every ten methods that pop up one or less remain after five years.

3 gallon and smaller pico reefs weren't supposed to work. As pics/threads progressed, so did the science and repeatability. Peroxide usage will work in similar fashion I do think. Every once in a while we find something that simply works but it takes a few years to become legitimized

 

[Ralph ATL]

Day 49 with Kent Tech M, albeit I just did my second water change without adding anymore allowing the Mag to slowly get to normal levels.

Since I have been following the regime of covering any remaining patches with: day 1, kalk/rodi/H2O2 day 2, H2O2 & day 3 off, I AM 99.9% ALGAE FREE!

It appeared to be multiple types of Algae, including Bryopsis, and others....that were resistant to algae-fix and Somewhat to Kent's Tech M.

The final test will be after the carbon is back on line and removes whatever chemical that caused algae to be distressed. I'll be ready to paste it like Aptasia...


Three days later....


Day 52 Kent Tech M

so after blasting any remaining algae with Kalk/RO/H2O2, I do not see anything that is possibly alive.

I have decided to slowly add rox carbon back to system, so yesterday I changed my GFO & put in 3/4 of a cup of carbon to start removing any chemicals from tech m remaining. I know there is plenty of residue levels remaining because when I added 3 turbo snails they died within 8 hours getting sluggish within' 2 hours. Astrea snails sre perfectly fine however as well as all other inverts.

I'll be prepared to blast any green that appears just like an infection of aiptasia.......hopefully I won't have to....

It's all wait and see, and I'll be happy to start seeing my SPS start growing, and my tort needs to recovery.....which it will......

(during this whole process, sps were either stagnant in growth or doing poorly as apparently when the slgae died it released so much nutrients back that my system coulndt handle the additional amounts....that has since been adjuted and all is well now)


Day 54 Kent Tech M
Today!
Brandon....help!

So just 48 hours after adding 3/4 of a cup of rox Carbon from BRS, the remaining "dead patches of algae" are turning GREEN! OMG! These were treated with both Kalk & some H2O2........arggggggggg............

I am going to pull out my centerpiece rocks tomorrow and treat with H2O2, however, they are mostly encrused with SPS, Zoa, Blue Clove and much more................

Can some of these corals sustain 5-10 minutes in 3% H2O2? or will I lose them? (I will be very careful will all SPS and some Zoa)...

what say you?

 

[Ralph ATL]

Hey fellow ARC'er!

How's your treatment proceeding at this point? I see you were dosing straight to the tank, did you lose any livestock during this treatment?

nope!

however, I am not getting the same results as outside the tank...

 

[brad65ford]

Been there done that bro, not fun. Spent way to much time treating and same as you, and the stuff just come back. Seems we need to hit it straight.

I'm going to try GFO/GAC rectors next. Reactors are here, just waiting from my BRS order to come in.

 

[Ralph ATL]

Day 54 Kent Tech M
Today!
Brandon....help!

So just 48 hours after adding 3/4 of a cup of rox Carbon from BRS, the remaining "dead patches of algae" are turning GREEN! OMG! These were treated with both Kalk & some H2O2........arggggggggg............

I am going to pull out my centerpiece rocks tomorrow and treat with H2O2, however, they are mostly encrused with SPS, Zoa, Blue Clove and much more................

Can some of these corals sustain 5-10 minutes in 3% H2O2? or will I lose them? (I will be very careful will all SPS and some Zoa)...

what say you?[/QUOTE]



Brandon?

 

[brandon429]

I wouldn't dip them for that long even though i've read others doing that with zos

I would take out rocks and spot treat, let sit 4 mins, moisten corals during this time, rinse and put back. That to me is safer and more likely to kill the algae.

 

[Ralph ATL]

ok, thanks!