brandon429
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Looks really sharp! You have a nice tank man
By this time tomorrow it should be even cleaner
By this time tomorrow it should be even cleaner
pico reef pest algae problem challenge
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brandon429
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Hey did that red brain send out a growth extension to the wall?
Caetano_Thiago
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Its a dragon soul favia. No growth on wall/glass
okay so I've had my cosmetology license for about 10 years I know that 10 volume developer is 3% perioxide.. 20 volume is 6%...30 volume is 9% and 40 volume is 12%.... the developer we use in hair is a creme peroxide.. Some people mentioned about not wanting to dip the whole live rock in the solution in fear of killing beneficial bacteria... Couldn't you use the creme developer that has thicker consistency to kind of "paint" it on the algae spots and let it be for a couple minutes and then rinse in clean sw.. What do you think??
Not sure what agents are used to emulsify the developer into the creamy consistency you're talking about.
If you want to experiment, please go ahead for the rest of us.
FWIW, using normal liquid H2O2 is fairly safe, as long as you take some precautions. I'd almost always recommend a clean-up-crew as part of the strategy though.
If you want to experiment, please go ahead for the rest of us.
FWIW, using normal liquid H2O2 is fairly safe, as long as you take some precautions. I'd almost always recommend a clean-up-crew as part of the strategy though.
brandon429
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I did not know there were different grades of hair peroxide thats neat to know. Like banker mentioned, we'd just have to experiment straight up to see if the extra components are harmful. I have no idea but I would totally set up a test vase to check it.
New techniques are just around the corner but we have to try them first. I would not use it in an established tank just yet though, something for a small nano to experiment with!
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I did not know there were different grades of hair peroxide thats neat to know. Like banker mentioned, we'd just have to experiment straight up to see if the extra components are harmful. I have no idea but I would totally set up a test vase to check it.
New techniques are just around the corner but we have to try them first. I would not use it in an established tank just yet though, something for a small nano to experiment with!
pscott99
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H2o2
H2o2
Back glass before cleaning
Emptied tank down with water change and cleaned with a paper towel and H2O2
Back glass one week later no new growth hardly at all
Pump after cleaning one week later. No new growth
My experience over the last two weeks.
I usually clean glass and pumps with vinegar. This works MUCH better since it lasts MUCH longer. I could actually see the line on the glass where I had cleaned. For some reason unknown it prevents growth from coming back for over a week on the cleaned area.
The first time I cleaned with very little so as not to drip any in the tank. I was very concerned for my inverts and coral. The second week I wet it down much more but still made sure not to drip any near my cleaner shrimp.
I could see a line on the front glass in a couple days. Above the line was clean. Below the line the green dust had already started to come back.
I have also dosed my tank. I started with 3ml. Saw no affect. Then went to 6ml. Also no affect on any animals. It seems to be slowing growth of algae but hard to say. I don't think it is a large enough dose to do much. I dose in a high flow area away from my inverts. I have also dosed in my overflow to work on the algae there as well.
Anyways for what it's worth WAY more affective than vinegar on anything out of the water applied directly. I would love the chemists in the crowd to figure out why it bonds to anything and prevents (delays) growth by a significant time of over a week compared to a day or two. The second last picture shows my back glass upper half after two weeks vrs. the lower half
Looks like I need to drain my tank further and go after it. Thanks brandon429 !! I am sold for sure. :thumbsup:
H2o2
Back glass before cleaning
Emptied tank down with water change and cleaned with a paper towel and H2O2
Back glass one week later no new growth hardly at all
Pump after cleaning one week later. No new growth
My experience over the last two weeks.
I usually clean glass and pumps with vinegar. This works MUCH better since it lasts MUCH longer. I could actually see the line on the glass where I had cleaned. For some reason unknown it prevents growth from coming back for over a week on the cleaned area.
The first time I cleaned with very little so as not to drip any in the tank. I was very concerned for my inverts and coral. The second week I wet it down much more but still made sure not to drip any near my cleaner shrimp.
I could see a line on the front glass in a couple days. Above the line was clean. Below the line the green dust had already started to come back.
I have also dosed my tank. I started with 3ml. Saw no affect. Then went to 6ml. Also no affect on any animals. It seems to be slowing growth of algae but hard to say. I don't think it is a large enough dose to do much. I dose in a high flow area away from my inverts. I have also dosed in my overflow to work on the algae there as well.
Anyways for what it's worth WAY more affective than vinegar on anything out of the water applied directly. I would love the chemists in the crowd to figure out why it bonds to anything and prevents (delays) growth by a significant time of over a week compared to a day or two. The second last picture shows my back glass upper half after two weeks vrs. the lower half
Looks like I need to drain my tank further and go after it. Thanks brandon429 !! I am sold for sure. :thumbsup:
brandon429
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That's sick man. Its brand new clean.
Hey have you noticed how when it gets on your hands it leaves that grating feeling for 10 mins, like all the oil/sebaceous fluid + top layer skin has been zapped?
The online stuff i've seen said it rinses/dissociates purely so who knows. Maybe something about it as a mild residual helps with the regrowth
We need a chemist with lab lab equipment to measure pre and post DO as well as any residuals after 6 months in a regularly treated tank (spot treatments for example, something I say doesn't accumulate)
Some of the nice coralline coloration will be list but it will come back
Hey have you noticed how when it gets on your hands it leaves that grating feeling for 10 mins, like all the oil/sebaceous fluid + top layer skin has been zapped?
The online stuff i've seen said it rinses/dissociates purely so who knows. Maybe something about it as a mild residual helps with the regrowth
We need a chemist with lab lab equipment to measure pre and post DO as well as any residuals after 6 months in a regularly treated tank (spot treatments for example, something I say doesn't accumulate)
Some of the nice coralline coloration will be list but it will come back
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brandon429
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You are in an interesting position to double check something I see as a window cleaner with it, not many are doing that. I have to use it exclusively or my vase will be scratched severely in removing that stuff.
The green calcareous haze we get becomes accustomed to 3% and after several months becomes much less affected by the same regimen.
I had to move up to 15%~ to get flash bleaching effect, and all the corals/benthic life in my bowl has adapted to having input 5+ times the normal dilution per gallon of any reef using peroxide.
Truly there appears to be an overall adaptive character from the environment to peroxide use.
On a very long term basis it has cured my tank of every invader without hesitation.
The green calcareous haze we get becomes accustomed to 3% and after several months becomes much less affected by the same regimen.
I had to move up to 15%~ to get flash bleaching effect, and all the corals/benthic life in my bowl has adapted to having input 5+ times the normal dilution per gallon of any reef using peroxide.
Truly there appears to be an overall adaptive character from the environment to peroxide use.
On a very long term basis it has cured my tank of every invader without hesitation.
brandon429
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Also I see the whiskers of a sensitive species cleaner shrimp what's that tough guy there
You know, since glass has microscopic pores & scratches, perhaps even freshly scraped (without peroxide) aquarium glass has an ultra thin layer of algal cells that can't be removed mechanically. Maybe the act of wiping peroxide on the glass kills these cells, giving us the perception of a lasting effect.
tankaddict
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H2O2 works great! I had a major bryopsis that tech M couldnt kill. I got so sick of it so i pulled out the affected LR encrusted by sps and went to town on it. I took a cup of H2O2 and used a toothbrush to dip and scrub the rock. I left the rock to sit for about 10 mins and gave a good rinse with tank water. Im now 95% bryopsis free and will repeat at the next water change! Thanks Brandon! I spent well over 100$ trying to kill bryopsis and other pest algae... Didnt know that a 89 cent bottle was the cure.
goldmaniac
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tagging along. i don't have a nano but instead I have a 120 gal and we're just now learning about h2o2. what is the concentration when you spot-dose areas of hair algae, when the tank is full of water and pumps are off? 50/50? straight h202?
pscott99
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I was very carefull to keep any direct dose away from my 1 year old cleaner shrimp my favourite invert. He did not show any signs of distress which I was very happy about. I also have 2 peppermints a clam and flame scallop so I wasn't willing to risk any of them. I also believe as thebanker said, that the glass has algae on it that the H2O2 somehow coats or kills and keeps it cleaner longer.
pscott99
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My feeling is that you can direct dose straight 3% as long as no animals are in harms way. It disipates quickly. Not sure that even that dose would be enough, but I know that I used to dose vinegar that way with no problems in tank. Removing the rock would be best. That's exactly what I am going to try next with a turkey baster. My animials safety is my top priority so I am taking dosing slow and small first to see the affects.
Brandon,
Do you mind requesting a sticky with summary of methods (direct in tank, direct out of tank, and direct tank dosing) be post to the top of the discussion? Maybe include the list of critters to take caution with and of coarse that before and after pics be posted with method used.....
Do you mind requesting a sticky with summary of methods (direct in tank, direct out of tank, and direct tank dosing) be post to the top of the discussion? Maybe include the list of critters to take caution with and of coarse that before and after pics be posted with method used.....
