pico reef pest algae problem challenge
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brandon429
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Just yesterday I was reading reefmisers thread on peroxide and he said they were sensitive to it, so at least we have one feedback on clavularia...
Only one way to find out..... :strooper:
brandon429
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The raw power of the peroxide above 3% amazes me, its astounding a reef tank can be treated with it repeatedly
I spilled a few drops ~18% next to the cap on hard Formica or whatever the fake marble laminate is, thinking it was nothing, it was so late at night I didn't clean up till next day
Well it bubbled that hard surface, not a flaky bubble but a deep bubble under the laminate i'm mad yet amazed
I have literally put this on Montipora at the growth fringes as I cleaned the glass areas for algae, it shows absolutely no wear or lack of growth
I think the ability of some corals to modify, adapt, or already contain enzyme complements/resistance attributes that allow the cells to tolerate direct tissue contact with 18% is helpful to know about.
Free radical damage studies might be influenced one day with peroxide tests of some kind,I think its good to know any form of tolerance in these organisms
My counter is intolerant.
I spilled a few drops ~18% next to the cap on hard Formica or whatever the fake marble laminate is, thinking it was nothing, it was so late at night I didn't clean up till next day
Well it bubbled that hard surface, not a flaky bubble but a deep bubble under the laminate i'm mad yet amazed
I have literally put this on Montipora at the growth fringes as I cleaned the glass areas for algae, it shows absolutely no wear or lack of growth
I think the ability of some corals to modify, adapt, or already contain enzyme complements/resistance attributes that allow the cells to tolerate direct tissue contact with 18% is helpful to know about.
Free radical damage studies might be influenced one day with peroxide tests of some kind,I think its good to know any form of tolerance in these organisms
My counter is intolerant.
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brandon429
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My video shows direct 35% application to a red mushroom, this is two days later, unaffected. This is the most striking tolerance to peroxide I've ever seen someone needs to figure out this differentiating factor among corals
It can be cross verified easily, anyone got a drop of 35% and a spare red mushroom?
If it kills your test corallimorph then that might imply a sensitization pathway or something in this one
It can be cross verified easily, anyone got a drop of 35% and a spare red mushroom?
If it kills your test corallimorph then that might imply a sensitization pathway or something in this one
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That's a little trickier still I think we can beat it. Other than the pistol shrimp are there any other motile inverts
The corals you have in there won't mind a full tank dosing but its not what I would do if that tank was mine
Id drain out most of the water, catching all the sheeted algae in the siphon, after it had been hand scraped with a razor blade
Its best to hand remove out of the tank first when possible
So there is less peroxide used in the tank...then we can use some to stop the regrowth you mentioned
Depending on your inverts, after the tank has been hand scraped and fully exported back to clean again and a nice water change along with it, id dose 1ml per ten gallons twice into the tank this next week and use that starting dosage to watch the regrowth, I bet it won't come back as strong
Use a brand new bottle not a used one
The corals you have in there won't mind a full tank dosing but its not what I would do if that tank was mine
Id drain out most of the water, catching all the sheeted algae in the siphon, after it had been hand scraped with a razor blade
Its best to hand remove out of the tank first when possible
So there is less peroxide used in the tank...then we can use some to stop the regrowth you mentioned
Depending on your inverts, after the tank has been hand scraped and fully exported back to clean again and a nice water change along with it, id dose 1ml per ten gallons twice into the tank this next week and use that starting dosage to watch the regrowth, I bet it won't come back as strong
Use a brand new bottle not a used one
brandon429
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Do a big water change again next week, repeat once more only if needed, no rush peroxide will kill it used carefully
There's like 8 RBTAs (came from one, thing keeps splitting) which will be very very tricky since I saw you mention they are sensitive.
Another idea I have is to soak a sponge thing that I have in H2O2, wring it out, and use that to agitate the algae on the glass, possibly delivering a 'direct dose'. The entire tank dose (from the squeezed out H2O2) should be pretty minimal.
I also have a particular rock that has a favia and hair algae on it. Before we proceed with tackling the tank wide issue, let me dip and spot treat that rock. I want to see it first on that. Ill take pix
Another idea I have is to soak a sponge thing that I have in H2O2, wring it out, and use that to agitate the algae on the glass, possibly delivering a 'direct dose'. The entire tank dose (from the squeezed out H2O2) should be pretty minimal.
I also have a particular rock that has a favia and hair algae on it. Before we proceed with tackling the tank wide issue, let me dip and spot treat that rock. I want to see it first on that. Ill take pix
brandon429
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Good that will be a fast start on its decline for the test rock
Try to spot apply the peroxide on the algae vs dipping if possible
thanks for pics!
Try to spot apply the peroxide on the algae vs dipping if possible
thanks for pics!
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mdenigris
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Update, no sign of the dinos after five days.
Quick update.. I will post a series of pics after I collect a couple days worth.
I absolutely BATHED the acanthastrea lord. in 50/50 3% and it is doing fine (I saw someone post they lost their acan, but mine is doing better than ever right now without GHA irritating its polyps). Same thing with the favia. Zoas are already reported safe but here is one more report of safety. Anyway, the neometris that was on the favia rock?? TOAST.. in 24 hrs. The GHA is still there but I expect it to recede over the coming days. I bathed 2 pumps that were coated in GHA and will post those up once I have a couple days worth but the GHA is receding.
So far so good, but I still have all that GHA on the acrylic to deal with.. Let you guys know what happens after I see results with the GHA on the favia rock.
I absolutely BATHED the acanthastrea lord. in 50/50 3% and it is doing fine (I saw someone post they lost their acan, but mine is doing better than ever right now without GHA irritating its polyps). Same thing with the favia. Zoas are already reported safe but here is one more report of safety. Anyway, the neometris that was on the favia rock?? TOAST.. in 24 hrs. The GHA is still there but I expect it to recede over the coming days. I bathed 2 pumps that were coated in GHA and will post those up once I have a couple days worth but the GHA is receding.
So far so good, but I still have all that GHA on the acrylic to deal with.. Let you guys know what happens after I see results with the GHA on the favia rock.
brandon429
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How great
Truly we see it kill every pest known to reefkeeping...when I first came across reefmisers thread I was worried about losing my bowl to red brush algae but not any more!
Truly we see it kill every pest known to reefkeeping...when I first came across reefmisers thread I was worried about losing my bowl to red brush algae but not any more!
brandon429
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I'm a little sad in the last week not to have got follow up pics based on the pm's and emails for tanks we were dosing...when the tank is cleaned we need post treatment pics lol
We have a couple detractors for our method. Igreen and HecticDialectics from nano reef.com have been against peroxide use and volunteered to fix any tank without it. The next problem tank posted we should refer to them for a week or two first
We can get you to post over there or I will link your thread to them, they are certain each one of the tanks in this thread took a wrong path.
We have a couple detractors for our method. Igreen and HecticDialectics from nano reef.com have been against peroxide use and volunteered to fix any tank without it. The next problem tank posted we should refer to them for a week or two first
We can get you to post over there or I will link your thread to them, they are certain each one of the tanks in this thread took a wrong path.
goldmaniac
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what are their credentials to be qualified to say that our husbandry is insufficient?
Seems a bit ridiculous.
Never once have you, or anyone on this thread suggested that this is a cure-all. Only a quick method of manual (chemical) removal to help give a jump start to the normal, natural methods of keeping our tanks algae free which has always been promoted here. Unless they are saying that peroxide is damaging somehow. If that is true, I would like to learn more.
Until then, this method has been fantastic thus far imo. It's now a few months later and my valonia plague has not returned on a single rock that I treated.
reefknight
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+1 Here...I know that I had tried several methods before as had Mysterybox to no avail. Spent a lot of money on treatments and inverts that haven't worked. This is the first thing that actually eradicated the problem algae.
I haven't updated as I haven't been able to do much work on it lately. The side I treated has had no new algae growth. I do have a few rocks that were heavily infested and will need to be retreated. I'm actually in the process of setting up a new frag tank so that I may move most of my corals out of the display for a week or so. I'd like to be able to go in hit all of the rock, let it set to make sure it doesn't require another treatment and then aquascape and add the corals back. I've way too many corals to attempt moving side to side. Most are not encrusted so this would make it a little easier, just have to be careful with the few that are. Left side remains untouched to this point. Maybe next week for the other island.
I haven't updated as I haven't been able to do much work on it lately. The side I treated has had no new algae growth. I do have a few rocks that were heavily infested and will need to be retreated. I'm actually in the process of setting up a new frag tank so that I may move most of my corals out of the display for a week or so. I'd like to be able to go in hit all of the rock, let it set to make sure it doesn't require another treatment and then aquascape and add the corals back. I've way too many corals to attempt moving side to side. Most are not encrusted so this would make it a little easier, just have to be careful with the few that are. Left side remains untouched to this point. Maybe next week for the other island.
