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Hello i have 75gallon DT with a 20g long sump/refuge

I plan to keep softies as maybe some LPS not really looking to get into SPS

I currently have only a CUC consisting of

  • 2 Mexican Turbo snails
  • 1 Banded shrimp
  • 15 Astrea Turbo snails
  • 10 Nass snails
  • 3 Cerith snails
  • 2 Scarlet Reef crabs
  • 1 Emerald crab
  • 1 Fighting Conch

Would like to add

  • 1 Fire shrimp
  • 2 Cleaner shrimp
  • 1 Sea Cucumber, Yellow (bought 1 when i started my first tank and ended up with 3)
  • 1 Lettuce sea slug
  • 1 Orange Sea Star (Echinaster sp.)


I would like to house

  • 1 Longfin Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus rubriventralis) or a McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri) Unless i can house both
  • 1 Clown Goby, Yellow (Gobiodon okinawae)
  • 1 Dispar Anthias (Pseudanthias dispar)
  • 1 Kaudern's Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
  • 1 Manadarin and or Scooter Blenny or is both possible in this size tank? i've owned a scooter and i loved his personality. This addition or additions would be down the road when my tank is fully matured and fuge is populating pods.

Last but not least i would like a pair of Clownfish if possible. If my list above is workable, would it be possible to add a pair of Clownfish? I understand some are aggressive in pairs. Any advice on which ones wouldnt be?

CUC was bought before my fishlist was made and am willing to remove certain CUC members for a fish

Thanks in advance for any
 
We always recommend creating a stocking plan and then executing that plan rather than seeing a fish at the LFS that may be totally incompatible with existing fish. Fixing those kinds of mistakes is painful and not easy at all.

what happened to my post? it's been hours and it still doesn't show up!?
 
Hello i have 75gallon DT with a 20g long sump/refuge

I plan to keep softies as maybe some LPS not really looking to get into SPS

I currently have only a CUC consisting of

  • 2 Mexican Turbo snails
  • 1 Banded shrimp
  • 15 Astrea Turbo snails
  • 10 Nass snails
  • 3 Cerith snails
  • 2 Scarlet Reef crabs
  • 1 Emerald crab
  • 1 Fighting Conch

Would like to add

  • 1 Fire shrimp
  • 2 Cleaner shrimp
  • 1 Sea Cucumber, Yellow (bought 1 when i started my first tank and ended up with 3)
  • 1 Lettuce sea slug
  • 1 Orange Sea Star (Echinaster sp.)


I would like to house

  • 1 Longfin Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus rubriventralis) or a McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri) Unless i can house both
  • 1 Clown Goby, Yellow (Gobiodon okinawae)
  • 1 Dispar Anthias (Pseudanthias dispar)
  • 1 Kaudern's Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
  • 1 Manadarin and or Scooter Blenny or is both possible in this size tank? i've owned a scooter and i loved his personality. This addition or additions would be down the road when my tank is fully matured and fuge is populating pods.

I would do a scooter blenny rather than a manderin. I would do the flasher wrasse in lieu of the fairy wrasse, and would select A. percula or A. ocellaris.

Last but not least i would like a pair of Clownfish if possible. If my list above is workable, would it be possible to add a pair of Clownfish? I understand some are aggressive in pairs. Any advice on which ones wouldnt be?

CUC was bought before my fishlist was made and am willing to remove certain CUC members for a fish

Thanks in advance for any
 
what happened to my post? it's been hours and it still doesn't show up!?

It seems it didn't get posted. Maybe the system compensates for cases where a post gets posted twice:)

Anyway, I was asking if giving up one algae grazer (for example the Powder Brown Tang) would be enough in terms of algae grazers (I'd be left with Sailfin, Naso, Hipo and Fox Face).
 
75 gallon tank, 90 lbs live rock, 20 gallon sump.
Current stock:
pair of ocellaris
tomini tang
flame angel
flame hawkfish
royal gramma


Looking to add a colorful anthias, either singly or a small group of 3. I know you don't like to give recommendations, but I'm not sure what species would be appropriate. What would you suggest?
 
Great thread! I've been trolling for years and finally creating my dream tank. Starting to fill my new 250 gal w/ 75 gal sump/refugium. 4 radions to power a healthy SPS reef. Just beginning to consider fish. Many folks in the area have very healthy Aptasia populations and are now experimenting with Borghani Nudibranch as desperation measures. My latest conundrum is what fish are compatible with the nudibranh meaning tangs, angels, anthias, pseudochromis, and especially wrasses?
 
It seems it didn't get posted. Maybe the system compensates for cases where a post gets posted twice:)

Anyway, I was asking if giving up one algae grazer (for example the Powder Brown Tang) would be enough in terms of algae grazers (I'd be left with Sailfin, Naso, Hipo and Fox Face).

Unfortunately not. You would still have a lot of big fish competing within the same ecological niche.
 
75 gallon tank, 90 lbs live rock, 20 gallon sump.
Current stock:
pair of ocellaris
tomini tang
flame angel
flame hawkfish
royal gramma


Looking to add a colorful anthias, either singly or a small group of 3. I know you don't like to give recommendations, but I'm not sure what species would be appropriate. What would you suggest?

You probably can really only have a single because a group of anthias has a social dynamic that really requires a longer tank. My first choice would be carberryi, second choice resplendant. You want ones that are peaceful and reach a maximum of 3 inches.
 
Great thread! I've been trolling for years and finally creating my dream tank. Starting to fill my new 250 gal w/ 75 gal sump/refugium. 4 radions to power a healthy SPS reef. Just beginning to consider fish. Many folks in the area have very healthy Aptasia populations and are now experimenting with Borghani Nudibranch as desperation measures. My latest conundrum is what fish are compatible with the nudibranh meaning tangs, angels, anthias, pseudochromis, and especially wrasses?

If berghia nudibranch is the primary consideration, tangs, angels, anthias, and pseudochromis (which I do not recommend for other reasons, namely aggression) will work. Wrasses are more problematical as it depends on which one but generally they too will work.
 
Thanks, thats great news, but specifically what says you on pseudochromis friedmani; Its a big tank and it will be the smallest fish next to a clown goby, canary blenny and shoal fish like anthias and chromis
 
Hi guys. Well I haven't stocked fish in some time, and was hoping to add a few more to an established tank. I got some input from MrTuskFish, but was hoping for a bit more information. You've never been reefing too long to learn something form the "New to the Hobby" forum right?

I'll give a little background on my tank: I have a 135g (may actually be a 125, but thats how AGA was marketing their tanks 72" x 24" x 18"). It just had its 6th birthday last month. Things had gotten a little messy while I was off at college, but I've spent the last three or four months doing some aggressive cleaning, maintenance, and upgrading and things are finally getting where I would like them. Now I just need to finalize what will be going in. Most of the fish I currently have, have been in the tank 5-6 years.

1 Sailfin Tang: The longest tank resident, perhaps a bit large for a tank this size, but I was a fool and whats done is done. He seems happy though. Apparently the tastiest algae grows on the MP40, as he enjoys swimming right in front of it, even at full blast, and trying to get close enough for a nibble.

1 spotbreast/swallowtail angel: Started out as a female about 5 years ago, decided to turn male a couple years back. Good friends with the Tang.

1 maroon clown (Dona Corleone): Oldest fish in the tank. She's been in my tank for just over five years, but was living in a cousin's tank for 2 or 3 years before it got torn down. After a few splits there are four bubble tips spread through the tank, and Dona Corleone likes to split her time between all four. Currently in a turf fight with the mag-float.

1 Bi-color Blenny: Newest member of the tank. Was in an 12gallon cube that sprung a leak, but has been in the 135 for almost 4 years.

had a 6-line for about 5years, but went MIA sometime last year.


What I am considering, in order of preference:

small maroon clown male-- hoping if I add this guy first Dona Corleone will be too busy to bother any other new additions. Either that or he will be last. MrTuskFish suggested I may have luck if I add the female to the quarantine tank for a week before putting them both in the display.

female spotbreast-- Always thought the females were prettier than the striped males, and hopefully everyone would get along well. May be too much to have the tang and two angels.

3-5 blue streak/blue eye/long spine cardinals. - wondering if they will be too shy for this tank, maybe pajamas instead
OR
3-5 anthias- perhaps lyretail, but not set in stone. I would love both, but thats a bit much fish.

some type of wrasse-- leaning towards a Wetmorella of some type. I find wrasses to be colorful in both personality and scales and would like to add one at some point. My pod population is pretty low right now from when I had a 6-line, and I want to wait for the new refugium to repopulate before adding a wrasse. May substitute for a mandarin, but that's a tough call.

Might be too many fish, but I would like to add at least a couple more. Four just feels lonely right now. I know the maroon is going to be trouble, but I'm rather attached to her, and hoping she doesn't prevent any other fish from being added. I plan on quarantining each species one at a time for 4-8 weeks depending on how the seem to be doing, mostly to fatten them up.


Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Thanks, thats great news, but specifically what says you on pseudochromis friedmani; Its a big tank and it will be the smallest fish next to a clown goby, canary blenny and shoal fish like anthias and chromis

P. fridmani is the least aggressive of the pseudochromis
 
Hi guys. Well I haven't stocked fish in some time, and was hoping to add a few more to an established tank. I got some input from MrTuskFish, but was hoping for a bit more information. You've never been reefing too long to learn something form the "New to the Hobby" forum right?

I have a tremendous amount of respect for MrTuskFish's opinion!


I'll give a little background on my tank: I have a 135g (may actually be a 125, but thats how AGA was marketing their tanks 72" x 24" x 18"). It just had its 6th birthday last month. Things had gotten a little messy while I was off at college, but I've spent the last three or four months doing some aggressive cleaning, maintenance, and upgrading and things are finally getting where I would like them. Now I just need to finalize what will be going in. Most of the fish I currently have, have been in the tank 5-6 years.

1 Sailfin Tang: The longest tank resident, perhaps a bit large for a tank this size, but I was a fool and whats done is done. He seems happy though. Apparently the tastiest algae grows on the MP40, as he enjoys swimming right in front of it, even at full blast, and trying to get close enough for a nibble.

Which is a reflection of his natural inclination towards current

1 spotbreast/swallowtail angel: Started out as a female about 5 years ago, decided to turn male a couple years back. Good friends with the Tang.

1 maroon clown (Dona Corleone): Oldest fish in the tank. She's been in my tank for just over five years, but was living in a cousin's tank for 2 or 3 years before it got torn down. After a few splits there are four bubble tips spread through the tank, and Dona Corleone likes to split her time between all four. Currently in a turf fight with the mag-float.

1 Bi-color Blenny: Newest member of the tank. Was in an 12gallon cube that sprung a leak, but has been in the 135 for almost 4 years.

had a 6-line for about 5years, but went MIA sometime last year.


What I am considering, in order of preference:

small maroon clown male-- hoping if I add this guy first Dona Corleone will be too busy to bother any other new additions. Either that or he will be last. MrTuskFish suggested I may have luck if I add the female to the quarantine tank for a week before putting them both in the display.

That WILL take luck as well as finding the absolute smallest GSM you can find. Odds are less than 50/50 IMO.

female spotbreast-- Always thought the females were prettier than the striped males, and hopefully everyone would get along well. May be too much to have the tang and two angels.

I have introduced the opposite sex Genicanthus three times, once successfully.

3-5 blue streak/blue eye/long spine cardinals. - wondering if they will be too shy for this tank, maybe pajamas instead
OR
3-5 anthias- perhaps lyretail, but not set in stone. I would love both, but thats a bit much fish.

The cardinals, other than being difficult shippers, are likely to do better. Anthias in a group have a social dynamic that may be iffy in your sized tank. Possible, however.

some type of wrasse-- leaning towards a Wetmorella of some type. I find wrasses to be colorful in both personality and scales and would like to add one at some point. My pod population is pretty low right now from when I had a 6-line, and I want to wait for the new refugium to repopulate before adding a wrasse. May substitute for a mandarin, but that's a tough call.

I LOVE the behavioral characteristics of all of the Wemorella. Very, very interesting.

Might be too many fish, but I would like to add at least a couple more. Four just feels lonely right now. I know the maroon is going to be trouble, but I'm rather attached to her, and hoping she doesn't prevent any other fish from being added.

Best chance is to add her perspective male last. If she ever bonds, the pair will be a terror towards new additions

I plan on quarantining each species one at a time for 4-8 weeks depending on how the seem to be doing, mostly to fatten them up.


Any input would be greatly appreciated.

You are asking difficult questions given the longevity of your current inhabitants. I can only give you my opinions of likely outcomes.
 
Thanks for the tips, it seems the best course of action would be to avoid both the angel and male maroon unless I come across an exceptionally small one at a LFS. 50/50 is not very fair to the fish. Perhaps if I ever come across someone breeding them that would be small enough.

Do you have any opinion on how many cardinals would be best kept together. Would they prefer a larger group if possible? A LFS currently has 30 or so just in.

Also which Wemorella do you have experience keeping?

Thanks again!
 
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Hi! I'm new to the hobby. My boyfriend had a reef tank for a few years a few years ago. Here's what we have:
125 gal with live rock and sand, sump, refugium (well-populated, I love getting up in the night and looking at all the critters). RO/DI system with auto top-off. Actinic and metal halide lights. Tank has had water in it for ~6 months. Started with corals: green star polyp (growing like crazy), frogspawn, montipora, several acroporas, two leather corals, several acans, a cluster of zoos, table coral, lepti-something, looks like leopard spots, a war coral. CUC is astrea snails and hermit crabs and a glass shrimp.
We have two black ice clown fish in the quarantine tank (45 gal with sump and wet/dry system). They should go into the main tank in a couple of weeks. They are doing quite well.
We plan to add, in three batches, the following fish/shrimp:
Batch 1: green mandarin, 2 blue neon gobies, 2 yellownose prawn gobies, 2 Helfrich firefish, and 1 scarlett skunk cleaner shrimp
Batch 2: 1 yellowtail fang tail blennie, 1 copperband butterfly, 1 Rainford gobie, 3 filamented flasher wrasses (1 male, 2 female), 1 candy stripe Randall's pistol shrimp, and 1 other fish (we thought about a 6-line wrasse, but changed our minds as we think he will be too aggressive
Batch 3: 1 Red Sea purple tang, 1 Red Sea Desjardini tang, 1 Hawaiian longnose Black tang, 1 Foxface rabbitfish, 2 yellow neon gobies, 1 Bali red starfish, 1 Harlequin serpent starfish

Thanks for your feedback!
 
Unfortunately not. You would still have a lot of big fish competing within the same ecological niche.

oh, man! though choices. so, having 3 algae grazers would be fine for my tank? I'd give up the fox face but my wife likes it... so I'm afraid I'd have to give up the naso tang... I don't like doing that but its adult size is the largest of all, right?
 
oh, man! though choices. so, having 3 algae grazers would be fine for my tank? I'd give up the fox face but my wife likes it... so I'm afraid I'd have to give up the naso tang... I don't like doing that but its adult size is the largest of all, right?

or should I go with Sailfin possibly being a little more aggressive than the rest (at liveaquaria.com all the others - blue & naso tang and foxface are listed as peaceful while sailfin as semi-aggressive and if I give up the naso tange will end up being my largest fish)?
 
or should I go with Sailfin possibly being a little more aggressive than the rest (at liveaquaria.com all the others - blue & naso tang and foxface are listed as peaceful while sailfin as semi-aggressive and if I give up the naso tange will end up being my largest fish)?

by "go with" I meant to choose the sailfin to give up.
 
Thanks for the tips, it seems the best course of action would be to avoid both the angel and male maroon unless I come across an exceptionally small one at a LFS. 50/50 is not very fair to the fish. Perhaps if I ever come across someone breeding them that would be small enough.

I rarely see ones small enough except from breeders. Too large will NOT work.

Do you have any opinion on how many cardinals would be best kept together. Would they prefer a larger group if possible? A LFS currently has 30 or so just in.

In the long run, they will pair off except, possibly at night when they hunt. If they just came in, I would wait a bit as the attrition rate on cardinals is high. I have tried large groups and smaller (5) groups with no difference

Also which Wemorella do you have experience keeping?

Wetmorella tanakai which I have had for about 5 years. However all have similar behavior characteristics

Thanks again!

My pleasure. Most questions I can answer definitively, your questions are more about the odds.
 
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