Potassium, Iron & Iodine (K, Fe, I2) Testing/dosing

There are numerous TOTMs who have unreal corals and colours that don't test for these elements. I know dvanacker (December 2012 TOTM, almost all SPS) doesn't test for these elements, and no one would challenge him for not doing so. He uses IO salt. I don't think he doses anything other than Alk, Ca and Mg, does water changes and feeds his tank/fish. Can you see some benefits for testing for these elements? Maybe. Is it necessary to test for these things to have a healthy, thriving, colourful, TOTM worthy system? No.

never mind.

as we all stated, if nothing wrong, why test ?

if corals pale, one reason could be K+ lacking.

when I see my orange monti is pale, and dose KCL, and the day after it colours up, and when I test K+ it has raised, does that mean I am just seeing stuff ? or did K= actually get depleted ?

it is necessary to know your system consumption. and there are different ways of running a reef tank, yours and Darryl's way is better, but the way I run my system, K+ gets used :)
 
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never mind.

as we all stated, if nothing wrong, why test ?

if corals pale, one reason could be K+ lacking.

when I see my orange monti is pale, and dose KCL, and the day after it colours up, and when I test K+ it has raised, does that mean I am just seeing stuff ? or did K= actually get depleted ?

it is necessary to know your system consumption. and there are different ways of running a reef tank, yours and Darryl's way is better, but the way I run my system, K+ gets used :)

I don't think there is a "better" way to run a reef tank, and I wouldn't suggest to anyone that my methods are the way to go... you've shown that to each their own and there are many ways to get from A to B... each person should do their research and go their own route... and your tank is beautiful and shows that. :)

My post was only to inform the OP that testing for these elements isn't absolutely necessary based on my experience/discussions with other reefers. If he wants to test for them and dose, as you've shown through your experience, there could be some value in it. In terms of paling corals, which usually indicates lack of nutrients, it could be as simple as feeding a bit more heavily to improve colouration... I've never dosed trace elements other than aminos and lugol's in the past but I don't really see the value in that anymore over feeding a bit more heavily. With pale corals, maybe my K is depleted, but that isn't the thought that usually enters my head. I tend to think of overall nutrient balance and lighting as playing a much more major role in health and colouration over splitting hairs at the trace element level. Again, this is just my approach and thought process, not to say that it is any better or worse than your approach, just different mindset. :thumbsup:
 
There is virtually nothing scientific to back up all of these color claims being associated with various elements. Some of this is just regurgitated from some of the various carbon dosing regimens promo mats. Like so many other things in this hobby, if you repeat something enough it will become accepted as fact.
 
There is virtually nothing scientific to back up all of these color claims being associated with various elements. Some of this is just regurgitated from some of the various carbon dosing regimens promo mats. Like so many other things in this hobby, if you repeat something enough it will become accepted as fact.

Sorry but I disagree and let me say why. We keep many sps in small glass cages andthere all pulling from the same resources. It's just a matter of time before they get depleted. So aquarist have no choice to add suppliments to keep up with the demand. It's actual very simple and water changes alone will never keep up with let's say a small number of 25 full blow sps in a 150 gallon tank or less. Is the anything that can be shown that the three elements above are not beneficial? Until then I will continue to dose additives.

Sorry and please don't take this the wrong way I just feel that our treasures or colored sticks just need more then water changes..
 
Sorry but I disagree and let me say why. We keep many sps in small glass cages andthere all pulling from the same resources. It's just a matter of time before they get depleted. So aquarist have no choice to add suppliments to keep up with the demand. It's actual very simple and water changes alone will never keep up with let's say a small number of 25 full blow sps in a 150 gallon tank or less. Is the anything that can be shown that the three elements above are not beneficial? Until then I will continue to dose additives.

Sorry and please don't take this the wrong way I just feel that our treasures or colored sticks just need more then water changes..

Disagree all you like, but it's is a proven fact that as long as things like calcium, alkalinity and magnesium are maintained that you can keep a gorgeous aquarium with very colorful SPS without ever dosing anything else

I've been keeping SPS since the early 90's and reef aquariums since well before then. I used to personally sell quite a bit of Thiel Aquatech and the later Kent supplements. I used to tell people they needed all kinds of crap they don't need. I've found that it makes people feel better to spend a bunch of money on some magical liquid that they pour in their tanks that's supposed to help their corals or fish.

I just find it funny that everyone keeps disagreeing with me but can't find a shred of scientific evidence to support all these stupid claims the supplement companies make. Sadly, the supplement companies can't find much real evidence either since they for the most part they often just rip off the snake oil salesmen that preceeded them. It's actually very nice what people are willing to spend on their pets, but you can trace scams, greed and false claims all the way back to one of the original trace element supplements called Combisan.
 
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Disagree all you like, but it's is a proven fact that as long as things like calcium, alkalinity and magnesium are maintained that you can keep a gorgeous aquarium with very colorful SPS without ever dosing anything else

I've been keeping SPS since the early 90's and reef aquariums since well before then. I used to personally sell quite a bit of Thiel Aquatech and the later Kent supplements. I used to tell people they needed all kinds of crap they don't need. I've found that it makes people feel better to spend a bunch of money on some magical liquid that they pour in their tanks that's supposed to help their corals or fish.
I just find it funny that everyone keeps disagreeing with me but can't find a shred of scientific evidence to support all these stupid claims the supplement companies make. Sadly, the supplement companies can't find much real evidence either since they for the most part they often just rip off the snake oil salesmen that preceeded them. It's actually very nice what people are willing to spend on their pets, but you can trace scams, greed and false claims all the way back to one of the original trace element supplements called Combisan.


OMG we have so many years in common, that's so funny as i used to dose that stuff in my softy tank in 94 or 95......it sure made my tank look good to me....here is a picture of my tank from 1994 or 1995 I was also making my own lugos solution before it went public and that really made my blue mushrooms explode with color got the recipe from when i was a volunteer at the Brooklyn aquarium.............so like I stated earlier it works for me and my system.....additives sometimes makes a difference...water changes alone are just not enough anymore for full blown reef-tanks especially when they are sps dominant.

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OMG we have so many years in common, that's so funny as i used to dose that stuff in my softy tank in 94 or 95......it sure made my tank look good to me....here is a picture of my tank from 1994 or 1995 I was also making my own lugos solution before it went public and that really made my blue mushrooms explode with color got the recipe from when i was a volunteer at the Brooklyn aquarium.............so like I stated earlier it works for me and my system.....additives sometimes makes a difference...water changes alone are just not enough anymore for full blown reef-tanks especially when they are sps dominant.

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my oh my have reef pictures come a long way
 
i too have been blindly dosing a few drops of iodine or lugols.
Based on the "color of corals guide" i would say in general these chems are atleast in line in my system:

Here is an synopsis i found and saved that some one posted somewhere. This may be what your referring to acronic:

yellows
highly dependent on nitrate and po4 levels. Of course all sps colors are highly dependent on lack of n and p so i wanted to start with probably the easiest color to get, yellow. Yellows are sort of you baseline; yellows will tell you a lot about what is going on in your tank, what is needed and what is overdosed. Nitrate and/or po4 reduction is most important, either through technical means such as nitrate/phosphate reducers or biologically through dsb, carbon dosing and/or water changes and fuges. Basically, if you want to do sps, i would suggest starting with an acropora that is yellow. If you can get it to say yellow for several months, you should be ready for something else.


greens
greens would be the next easiest color to tweak. Most green coloration can be achieved through the addition of an iron concentrate (kents is what i use, however iron is iron). You must be very careful with iron because it is also an algae accelerator; this is why it is so important for you to get your yellows colors first (your n and p will be lowered). Additionally, i use my yellows as indicators for my greens and blues. You'll notice a deficiancy if your greens are brown color or they are paling in color. I start off by dosing iron at about 1 drop per 50 usg twice a week and take note of what happens, color changes, algae growth, until my yellow acroporas display a green shimmer (it won't be a solid green but a shimmer of a green/yellow). Please note, a sign of overdosing is a darkening of tissue, when this happens you have added too much iron or too much iron is being added. Another sign of overdosing is algae growth, stop immediately and possibly do a water change if necessary. Like everything else reef, go slowly.

blues and some purples
this is mainly for blues but i have found is can also have an effect on purples. The supplement for this is potassium iodide concentrate or lugol's solution, esv potassium iodide concentrate will also work; don't just get something that says potassium because that is a little different. Dosing should be done when blue colors become less intense. Again, using yellow corals as indicators, stop dosing when yellow corals display a green shimmer.


reds/pinks and some purples
primarily for coloring reds and pinks in montiporas, pocilloporas, birdsnest, other stys and seriatoporas. The supplement is potassium (not potassium iodide). If you are using a high potassium salt mix such as oceanic, tropical marine pro and you are doing regular water changes, you are more than likely not going to need to supplement this much. For dosing you can use your monitporas, especially caps as indicators. Supplementing is required when montiporas display slower growth and appear washed out to grey appearance. Indicators on stys and pocs are when they look like they have been exposed to air. Polyps are completely withdrawn and colors are light. Other indicators of potassium deficiency is when the pinks turn into a light brown and when acroporas loose their color and get lighter and pale. A major potassium deficiency is seen when tissue is lost, mostly starting from the base opposed to spotting (patchy look). And overdose can lead to tip burning so don't mistake tip burn for new growth. Tips burns will be white with no polyps.


purples
probably one of the hardest coloration of all acroporas from my experience since it is a combination of several variables.
First and foremost is water clarity, which means carbon and/or filter socks. I have also had good result from biological filters such as using cryptic zones, which produce seasquirts, sponges and other filter feeding animals. Zeo sponge power, which can be used in any system, feeds sponges. Sponges are great because they can filter a mass amount of water for better water clarity. From what i have noted, increased water clarify will first effect sps tips but not the complete base. I have seen nana and valida with really nice purple tips but brown/tan/white bases. I have seen the same nana and valida in another's tanks, which met all other parameters with a full purple from base to tip.
Second being lighting. From my observations of my own tank and others, purples seem to love 420-440nm range light spectrum, those found in actinics and 20k halides. Some of the best purples i have seen are in tanks that have 440nm blue actinics (ati blue+, giessman actinic) or 20k halides (radium, xm 20k).
Third, supplements such as iodide and potassium (see blues and reds/pinks). Again, make sure your greens are green and yellows are yellow. Your blue should be bright with depth. Iodide will also help if you have tip burn.
These are just my observations through testing and i am sure in the future other factors will be seen and added. Please feel free to comment with your own observations, data is very important to moving forward.

why not just include the link where u found your info!
 
I can't believe that guide is still being trotted out.............the whole thing is garbage.
 
NSW has these elements? Yes. We can test for them now? Yes. If lower than NSW or depleted how can you argue against replenishment via water change or dose?
 
I can't believe that guide is still being trotted out.............the whole thing is garbage.

I agree that guide is pretty much wrong. I always try and let people know this when it's posted. Some things in there are semi true but the way it's stated makes it completely wrong. And the difficulty level of keeping the colors is backwards, like really backwards. Definitely seems like what Peter I think said earlier in this thread. Stuff that's been told and regurgitated as fact. Definitely from the earlier days of carbon dosing and ulns tanks.

This is an old threads but does anyone have any updated info or new experience?

My experience is K can get depleted to harmful numbers if heavy skimming and heavy carbon dosing is used long term. So I have to test for it and dose to keep up.
Iron is useless to test for since it is used up so quickly and iodine is as well. Although you can use a good test kit to find the right dosage for daily dosing and make sure it's not being overdosed. But I have not seen any color changes or health changes to say it's needed in a tank that has fish that are fed normally.
 
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