Quiverfull's Biggle Juice Expeeiment

[Quiverfull]

A few new pics - not really of new corals, but new camera:

Tri-color:

Unknown:

Aussie 1:

Aussie 2:

(Last two a tribute to my mentor Biggles)

Cali Tort over yellow turb:

Other Cali tort:

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[reefmutt]

Nice! Love that tri color shot.
Polyps are almost yellow.
Which camera did you get?

 

[illumnae]

The Biggle Juice formula includes Seachem Replenish which is the freshwater gH booster right? Not any of the reef trace mixes?

Looking to replace my AF Micro E dosing, so looking to buy Koral Colour and the right Seachem product for the replacement

 

[reefmutt]

The Biggle Juice formula includes Seachem Replenish which is the freshwater gH booster right? Not any of the reef trace mixes?

Looking to replace my AF Micro E dosing, so looking to buy Koral Colour and the right Seachem product for the replacement

The original biggles juice formula was Salifert Trace Hard and Brightwell's Koralcolor.
And perhaps iodine. Don't remember.

But even Andrew isn't using the same formula anymore.
Yes, you are correct, Seachem replenish contains: calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, sodium chloride, potassium chloride. And is intended as a gig booster for to.. And therefore, I wouldn't consider it a replacement for Micro E.
Andrew had mentioned a seachem product as a replacement but I don't remember it right now..

 

[illumnae]

Thanks Matt! Just trying to confirm what the latest iteration of Biggles juice is before I purchase the products

 

[reefmutt]

No problem.
Probably best to get clarification from Andrew..
He might have moved over to the Aquaforest dosing components 123, now.
He was advocating only koralcolor for a while..
Not sure what's what anymore!

 

[illumnae]

Things move so fast in this hobby sometimes. I thought slow and steady was the catchphrase!

I'm running the Fauna Marin system on my tank now with a calcium reactor so I'm concerned about lacking required traces. FM rep says the Colour Elements set should be enough, but I'm still wary as Balling users use both the Colour Elements as well as a separate set of Balling Trace elements, which are similar to the Aquaforest Component ABC set that forms part of their own Balling system.

 

[reefmutt]

Just my thoughts, but a random RTN to only one coral would make me look hard at what I'm dosing.

Not all corals will need or want some of those at certain levels. Each coral species has it's own set of specific bacteria that feeds the coral and an upset can cause a negative change or RTN.

I'd only dose cocktail mixes that have what's in them labeled on the bottles so you don't accidentaly double dip on certain trace elements. With these trace metals only being in natural seawater at parts per billion levels it's easy to overdose and there's a fine line between dosing being good and heavy metal damage.
Koralcolor doesn't list what's in the bottle but they stress not to overdose.

http://brightwellaquatics.com/products/koralcolort.php

I'd also note your green corals are showing the best response and the blue coral shows the RTN.

My personal suggestion would be not to cross mix different brands, it's what gets people in trouble. It's going to be most widely problematic months down the road not in a few weeks as it may take time to skew the levels.
Replenish and Koralcolor seem to work hand in hand for example.

Ed's words of caution above should be very seriously considered.. This is very important..

Things move so fast in this hobby sometimes. I thought slow and steady was the catchphrase!

I'm running the Fauna Marin system on my tank now with a calcium reactor so I'm concerned about lacking required traces. FM rep says the Colour Elements set should be enough, but I'm still wary as Balling users use both the Colour Elements as well as a separate set of Balling Trace elements, which are similar to the Aquaforest Component ABC set that forms part of their own Balling system.

Well, if you were to really have a hard look at all of the products you just mentioned (which I think you should) you will find that there is a core group of elements that are in ALL of them. And then there are a few others that you will only find here and there.
And non of them are tried and true.. They are all what I would call experimental...
You should also check out Discusheckel's thread concerning Fauna Marin. Bulent is a wealth of knowledge and very helpful..

 

[Quiverfull]

Totally agree with reef mutt. See my post #67. In this thread, I am just documenting what I am doing which is KoralColor and Lugols. This is what Andrew originally recommended to me and is currently what I refer to as "Biggle Juice" as this was his recipe at the time we discussed it. I am also using ESV 2 part for my alk and Ca. I do 20% water changes every 2 weeks. I have 0 measurable (Salifert) nitrates and 0 measurable phosphate in my system. As ReefMutt pointed out, things evolve and keeping up with the popular threads in this forum (i.e. splash of color) you can learn a lot. I am trying to keep it as simple as possible with the least additives I can have achieve success with. I can tell you that my corals are significantly better with respect to color, growth and PE than before I started the KC and Lugols. These are the only "additives" I use at this time.

Greg


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[Quiverfull]

Having said all that, I did have an issue with one of my Cali tort rtning. I think, as Big Ed pointed out, it was an accumulation of some component(s) of the KC as I was dosing it at too high of a level to begin with. Since I have cut back to the bottle recommended dosing for KC, things seem to be better. I was able to save a few frags from my tort after transfer to another system that was using a much lower dosing regimen similar to what I now use in my main DT.


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[illumnae]

Thank you all for your recommendations.

Matt, I'll definitely check out DiscusHeckel's thread - I joined that thread late and missed out on the earlier parts documenting the FM system I think.

Quiver, I'm currently dosing AF Micro E and it's alright for now, but our local AF distributor is kind of a douche, so I don't really want to contribute to his profits and am looking to switch brands.

 

[Quiverfull]

Thank you all for your recommendations.

Matt, I'll definitely check out DiscusHeckel's thread - I joined that thread late and missed out on the earlier parts documenting the FM system I think.

Quiver, I'm currently dosing AF Micro E and it's alright for now, but our local AF distributor is kind of a douche, so I don't really want to contribute to his profits and am looking to switch brands.

I know that Smith and Fosters now carry AF products online but don't know how their pricing stacks up. At least you would not have to deal with your distributor...:blown:

 

[Piper27]

Quiver, that unknown is beautiful!!! Very cool growth as well.

 

[Quiverfull]

Piper: thanks. Here is a full colony picture:

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[Rakie]

Nice update Quiver, great colors you're showing.

Was that unknown you just posted a beige color when it was new, or feeling poopy and unhappy? I've got a wild frag that's *finally* starting to color up after adding a little AF Micro E, and it's starting to look just like that! It went from solid light tan color with green / slightly flouro polyps to what you're showing me.

Quick Camera Question -- What camera are you using? Pictures are nice, good color balance, good close ups.

 

[Big E]

Just be aware ESV calcium has trace elements.....they don't state what's in it. Koral color doesn't say what it contains as well.

 

[reefmutt]

Just be aware ESV calcium has trace elements.....they don't state what's in it. Koral color doesn't say what it contains as well.

FYI, the medical data sheet from the Brightwell website states that Koralcolor contains: Proprietary blend of Cobalt chloride, Sodium feredetate, Manganese chloride, Lithium chloride.
Quantities and ratios? Who knows..

I only discovered this because Andrew pointed it out to me..

 

[illumnae]

I know that Smith and Fosters now carry AF products online but don't know how their pricing stacks up. At least you would not have to deal with your distributor...:blown:

I'm located overseas :headwallblue: I think Amazon does ship Micro E to my country though if I hit a minimum spend.

 

[Rakie]

I'm located overseas :headwallblue: I think Amazon does ship Micro E to my country though if I hit a minimum spend.

if you can get KZ zeospur 2 its similar, but stronger some have told me

 

[Quiverfull]

Nice update Quiver, great colors you're showing.

Was that unknown you just posted a beige color when it was new, or feeling poopy and unhappy? I've got a wild frag that's *finally* starting to color up after adding a little AF Micro E, and it's starting to look just like that! It went from solid light tan color with green / slightly flouro polyps to what you're showing me.

Quick Camera Question -- What camera are you using? Pictures are nice, good color balance, good close ups.

Thanks. I got the coral as a large frag from one of my buddies. He never told me what it was. For a long time it was very washed out light tan in color with new growth that had very faint purple tips. I will post a picture of the same color in another system that I have that is no where near as colorful. Let me know if that is what yours looks like.

The camera I'm using is a Panasonic LUMIX, DMC-ZS40. I finally figured out how to really use it for macro type shots. I don't use a filter or retouch the photo. Right from camera to my iPad to the post.


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