http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2256865
I think this ends the debate that LEDs can't grow SPS.
I think this ends the debate that LEDs can't grow SPS.
Radion programming & their "missing" wavelength
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terrypercula
New member
I don't think anyone here thinks LED's can't grow SPS. I think Garry is talking about long term health and success of SPS under LED's vs. MH.
Capt_Cully
Active member
I've no doubt they will stand the test of time. In Gary's case , the acclimation during a change over might lead to some attrition or temporary loss of coloration. Given his reef keeping acumen, I'm certain he could come out just fine on the other side.
Personally, certain SPS corals I had LOVED (the limited spectrum AI Sols) LEDs. In my experience and as mentioned, it's all about the acclimation/ramp up.
Personally, certain SPS corals I had LOVED (the limited spectrum AI Sols) LEDs. In my experience and as mentioned, it's all about the acclimation/ramp up.
spinoleo
Member
how would you measure long term success or failure? would sps die or stop growing .corals change colors from different types of lighting when I went from mh to T5 my corals looked better but no shimmer in tank, but growth was the same. now with the LEDS my corals look good and have the shimmer back.You can have mh lights but bad lamps or reflectors same with T5 and LEDs.compare a cheep MH reflector and a lamp that 8 months old to a top of the line DIY or full spectrum LED people would say MH cant grow sps.
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
I did see Henry's aquarium early on when he first installed LEDS and his SPS looked awesome. I've not seen long term LED SPS aquarium. I'm sure it can be done. But can Mark replicate his MH lit 180 with LEDS?How about Henry's aquarium?
It's a friggin' awesome SPS aquarium.
(FWIW, I realize there's other factors in play besides lighting...)
I'll be watching.
What lighting was on the DD?
blanden.adam
Team RC
Aaron, Cree already makes a 420 nm LED. They're readily available and not so expensive
http://www.rapidled.com/violet-uv-leds/
Capt_Cully
Active member
The DD was a combo of T5, MH, and LEDS.
I'm not sure I can replicate the 180 without a Delorian.
I have been running the radion gen 2's for a couple months and yes, they are very easy to program. In addition to having pre-set programs in the software, you can easily grab program files that others have created and drop them into your setup. As far as I know you cannot wirelessly program the lights (maybe you can with pros) with out of the box functionality. I believe you can do this if you run radions on an Apex, but not positive. Ecotech has a new product called the reeflink that I think will allow this capability also. Absent these, you may have some challenges programming your lights as you mention you have a desktop and not a laptop and the cable that connects your PC to your lights is only a couple feet long.
There are lots of opinions on LED vs MH. I personally found this MH/LED experiment on an 800 gallon show tank pretty compelling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJM-EIrPI0
a different take on the same experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgkPxWogmEg
Curious as to others' opinions on the results shown in the videos?
Rick
There are lots of opinions on LED vs MH. I personally found this MH/LED experiment on an 800 gallon show tank pretty compelling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJM-EIrPI0
a different take on the same experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgkPxWogmEg
Curious as to others' opinions on the results shown in the videos?
Rick
tycoakley
New member
i know ecotech is coming out with the reef link sometime soon. http://ecotechmarine.com/products/reeflink/ you can check it out here. I think this will def make using the radions much easier from what ive heard. I have never ran radions but have seen many videos and saw that this was coming out to help people use their phones, tablets or computers to communicate wirelessly to the lights. There are some videos on them from macna and other conventions. I know ecotech showed Mr. Saltwater tank the reef link in his converge of macna 2013.
Sorry if this is a double post - I'm very new to RC and still trying to figure some things out...
I have been running the radion gen 2's for a couple months and yes, they are very easy to program. In addition to having pre-set programs in the software, you can easily grab program files that others have created and drop them into your setup. As far as I know you cannot wirelessly program the lights (maybe you can with pros) with out of the box functionality. I believe you can do this if you run radions on an Apex, but not positive. Ecotech has a new product called the reeflink that I think will allow this capability also. Absent these, you may have some challenges programming your lights as you mention you have a desktop and not a laptop and the cable that connects your PC to your lights is only a couple feet long.
There are lots of opinions on LED vs MH. I personally found this MH/LED experiment on an 800 gallon show tank pretty compelling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJM-EIrPI0
a different take on the same experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgkPxWogmEg
Curious as to others' opinions on the results shown in the videos?
Rick
I have been running the radion gen 2's for a couple months and yes, they are very easy to program. In addition to having pre-set programs in the software, you can easily grab program files that others have created and drop them into your setup. As far as I know you cannot wirelessly program the lights (maybe you can with pros) with out of the box functionality. I believe you can do this if you run radions on an Apex, but not positive. Ecotech has a new product called the reeflink that I think will allow this capability also. Absent these, you may have some challenges programming your lights as you mention you have a desktop and not a laptop and the cable that connects your PC to your lights is only a couple feet long.
There are lots of opinions on LED vs MH. I personally found this MH/LED experiment on an 800 gallon show tank pretty compelling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJM-EIrPI0
a different take on the same experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgkPxWogmEg
Curious as to others' opinions on the results shown in the videos?
Rick
erndog1001
Premium Member
Ok I dont know how I didnt see this post sooner.
But you've been to my house and seen my tank. I'm running 2- Gen 2s and 2- Pros
I'm using a modified version of the online template "Radiant Color" with Traveling sunrise and Lunar phases activated.
Yeah programmimg on any Windows based PC is a real pia. These guys are geared towards Apple using Safari or Google Chrome. But it can be done.
They are just now coming out with a piece that lets you go completely wireless. Its called "Reeflink" and IMHO its overpriced at $200 bc now I hear that the Apex people have an update that lets their controller run radions with a WXM mod. And their wireless controller is only $100
This is all new in the last couple of weeks So I'm kind of waiting to see how it goes.
Call me when you get them if you need help
But you've been to my house and seen my tank. I'm running 2- Gen 2s and 2- Pros
I'm using a modified version of the online template "Radiant Color" with Traveling sunrise and Lunar phases activated.
Yeah programmimg on any Windows based PC is a real pia. These guys are geared towards Apple using Safari or Google Chrome. But it can be done.
They are just now coming out with a piece that lets you go completely wireless. Its called "Reeflink" and IMHO its overpriced at $200 bc now I hear that the Apex people have an update that lets their controller run radions with a WXM mod. And their wireless controller is only $100
This is all new in the last couple of weeks So I'm kind of waiting to see how it goes.
Call me when you get them if you need help
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Take a look at this write-up - there is a dip in that area with most of the manufacturers, though on quick look the radion pro is less so than others: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/8/review
Here they talk about the low end on the radion pro - article says that there is a lower efficiency at the lower end so adding umpf down there is harder than higher in the spectrum (hopefully Nate can chime in and explain this). For a low end I've been very happy with the pro so far (less than a week)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/1/review
looking at the LED list, the hump is likely caused by the heavy use of UV (405nm) and indigo (415) with the next light up the spectrum being the Royal buel at 442nm - that gap is likely the dip in the spectrum
Not sure if there are LEDs to fill that gap and if there would be benefit as the lower spectrum doesn't add visual intensity as we perceive it (at least that is my meager understanding form reading around)
"¢ White: 8 Cree XT-E Cool White (5w each)
"¢ Red: 4 Osram Oslon SSL Hyper Red, 660nm (3w each)
"¢ Yellow: 2 Osram Oslon SSL Yellow, 590nm (3w each)
"¢ Green: 4 Cree XP-E Green, 520nm (3w each)
"¢ Blue: 8 Cree XP-E Blue, 468nm (3w each)
"¢ Royal Blue: 8 Cree XT-E Royal Blue, 442nm (5w each)
"¢ Indigo: 4 SemiLEDs UV, 415nm (2.5w each)
"¢ "Ultraviolet": 4 SemiLEDs UV, 405nm (2.5w each)
Here they talk about the low end on the radion pro - article says that there is a lower efficiency at the lower end so adding umpf down there is harder than higher in the spectrum (hopefully Nate can chime in and explain this). For a low end I've been very happy with the pro so far (less than a week)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/1/review
looking at the LED list, the hump is likely caused by the heavy use of UV (405nm) and indigo (415) with the next light up the spectrum being the Royal buel at 442nm - that gap is likely the dip in the spectrum
Not sure if there are LEDs to fill that gap and if there would be benefit as the lower spectrum doesn't add visual intensity as we perceive it (at least that is my meager understanding form reading around)
"¢ White: 8 Cree XT-E Cool White (5w each)
"¢ Red: 4 Osram Oslon SSL Hyper Red, 660nm (3w each)
"¢ Yellow: 2 Osram Oslon SSL Yellow, 590nm (3w each)
"¢ Green: 4 Cree XP-E Green, 520nm (3w each)
"¢ Blue: 8 Cree XP-E Blue, 468nm (3w each)
"¢ Royal Blue: 8 Cree XT-E Royal Blue, 442nm (5w each)
"¢ Indigo: 4 SemiLEDs UV, 415nm (2.5w each)
"¢ "Ultraviolet": 4 SemiLEDs UV, 405nm (2.5w each)
