Rare Anemone at Ki's

Here's my "Rare" (I use this term loosely) white BTA with brown base. It's been this way for a year and has split twice. I feed it half a silver side every other day and the clowns feed it mysis when they feel like it. Now the only question i have is shouldn't it have colored up by now if it is supposed to be colored. I don't know, mabey it's a rare color morph, mabey it's bleached. I do know one thing every one who has seen it says it's a BTA and every BTA i have seen on RC or other boards look similare there is no mistaking it's ID just a different color. Now mabey i should post my clones on Ebay for $1200 apiece ya right. :rolleyes:

White BTA

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One of the clones

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Now this supposed mystery anemone in all of my research appears to be just as others have stated a BTA an odd color morph but still just a BTA ie. E.Quad. not some entierly new species as some seem to be passing it off as. an E. Quad is an E. Quad. Now just how rare the color morph who knows and we may never know. some one may find it's color to thier liking enough to pay $1200, me i'll stick with the $25-$50 BTAs.
 
jdallred said:
Are any of the quotes you listed dishonest or fraudulent? No one can dispute whether it is rare or not but out of the 80,000 or so members on both sites not one person can say they have seen one. You discounted this in one of your post however I think this is important and you even stated in one of your replies,

This being the case does that mean that because of the huge number of members that havenââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t seen one like it before that it must be rare? I guess the important question is what is considered rare and who decides? Is rarity something that can be calculated, or is it an opinion, or is it the demand?

Again who decides what is rare? And I agree he has not proven it one way or another, but I ask you again how would he go about doing this? Maybe he doesnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t know how to prove it and needs some guidance.

I agree that a good pic showing the actual orange color would help his case. I still find it disturbing that people on this site will believe persons that say it is one thing without seeing it and based on some pics, but just discount the post of persons that have actually seen the animal. Again I ask why that is?
There's a difference between a rare aemone and a BTA with outstanding, rare color, and I think that's basically what the argument is about. At least, as I see it.

What about the morphology of that anemone is different from a BTA? If nothing, then It's a BTA. Divides by fission, tenticles are bulbous with slender tips, roghly grapefruit sized (not that size is a great indicator, but compared to most tulip anemones...). BTAs are not rare. Orange with green BTAs and pink with green BTAs are not rare anymore. Maby his anemone was considered rare in the hobby 2 years ago, but not now. Can anyone who has seen it explain to us how it's different from a BTA? That would clarify.

jdallred said:
These two statements are purely opinion on his part and should be seen as such.
Well, all of his statements that I quoted are opinion, in my opinion. I guess my point there is that there's very little factual information in his auction description about the anemone itself. No info + no good pic + $1200 = threads like this.

jdallred said:
Based purely on the eBay auction, I would have come to the same conclusion that everyone else who has not seen the animal did. But again what is your opinion of the replies of persons here in Denver that have seen it? Should these be considered in your hypothesis or just discounted as some grand conspiracy? I canââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t say for sure if the others he has supposedly sold these to would have purchased off of eBay. I guess if he sells this on that would be a good indication. But how do we know he didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t tell them the same thing he wrote on eBay?
Really, a pic. Maby have Dr Ron look at it, or put it in the anemone forum. If he has something new for the hobby, why not get it ID'd. If it turns out to be an orange BTA, that would be good to know, too.

jdallred said:
And why is no one questioning the other eBay listings I posted earlier. Does everyone think that an orange or green monti cap is rare?
Sorry, I try to get at least two hours of work done in an 8 hour day. I can only do so much.

I'M ONLY ONE MAN!

jdallred said:
Thank you Mike, at last someone who is speaking from the facts and not from their emotions, we should joust more often.
Actually, I'm just sort of anal-retentive at some things, like written communication. Plus, I don't want to get PitBull too mad at me. If those anemones turn out to be something special, I might want to buy one someday-if I could afford one, that is.
 
jdallred said:
And why is no one questioning the other eBay listings I posted earlier. Does everyone think that an orange or green monti cap is rare?
Ok, I took a look, and they don't really look special to me. I'm not a stony guy-a long time ago, I decided I wouldn't have a calcium reactor ($, but maby I'll diy one some day), so I've not really paid attention to stonies. If they are rare, there're rare in a very average kind of way.:rolleyes:

But, "rare" aside, those auction have decent pics, and it looks like a good attempt to identify the species (again, I'm not sure). The price was decent but the shipping was high.

I could get one of those monties for abou the price of a decent dinner for two at a cheap resteraunt. The anemone would cost me 2 1/2 months worth of groceries. When I found out the monties were common, it wouldn't be such a big deal. If I found out the anemone was a BTA, I'd be driving to CO.
 
If I found out the anemone was a BTA, I'd be driving to CO.
This whole deal reminds of "The Emperors New Clothes". If no one told the Emperor, he would not have cared.
 
I just did a search on coral and sorted them by price starting with the most expensive. The title on that one is "coral" with a subheading of "coral".
 
Actually,
There is a deep water purple coral that grows off the coast of Calif. I don't think it's rare though seeing how as I have a peice that I bought at a LFS in Florida back in the late '80's. Mine has a better purple color than the one he's showing but it's a lot smaller. I think I paid like 15 bucks or so for it. The coral akelton is actuall that color, not the pylops.
As far as rare deep water corals, I know that there is a Black, Pink and gold varaity that grow off the coast of Hawaii. The Black and Pink ones grow around 300 feet while the gold one grows down at 2000 feet. The wife and I just got back from Hawaii and actually bought some jewlery made with the black and gold coral. It's harvested by the Maui Dive company and they have a web site that talks about it.
So I don't know where this guy is getting his info. I do beleive though that the purple coral from Calif is no lopnger harvested. If he sells it for that much, maybe I should pull out my peice and try and sell it. I bet I could get more since mine is a darker purple.
 
Sorry Brian, Heidiââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s not here to stop me and I think I have a problem. I think I am a debateoholic, I love to debate. :wildone:

Mike, I take the joust comment back you are going to have to do better than that.

What about the morphology of that anemone is different from a BTA? If nothing, then It's a BTA. Divides by fission, tenticles are bulbous with slender tips, roghly grapefruit sized (not that size is a great indicator, but compared to most tulip anemones...). BTAs are not rare. Orange with green BTAs and pink with green BTAs are not rare anymore. Maby his anemone was considered rare in the hobby 2 years ago, but not now. Can anyone who has seen it explain to us how it's different from a BTA? That would clarify.

Please show me at least one statement made by the seller or anyone who has seen the actual animal (not a pic) that states it is not a bta. This appears to be an assumption that was made up by someone here on the boards that everyone else keeps grabbing onto. It has been stated by the seller and others that it is not an rbta but the seller did state in his listing that it is a ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œbubble anemoneââ"šÂ¬Ã‚, which if you are going to draw the conclusion that he is representing the anemone as some new species then you can also assume that bubble anemone means a bta. I ask you, would a new colored bta not be rare? If not, then why were rbta costing as much as $300 about a year ago and now that supply has caught up with demand they are a little as $15? You say orange and green bta are not rare anymore, when was this color orange even an option? No one here can say they have seen this color orange on a bta.

Well, all of his statements that I quoted are opinion, in my opinion. I guess my point there is that there's very little factual information in his auction description about the anemone itself. No info + no good pic + $1200 = threads like this.

My mistake, I thought your point was in response to my question about dishonest or fraudulent statements made by the seller. Since your point was to show what little factual info he had in the listing (which has never been disputed by anyone), do you consider these statements to be dishonest or fraudulent? If not, do you see anything in the listing that is?

Really, a pic.

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But, "rare" aside, those auction have decent pics, and it looks like a good attempt to identify the species

But is it dishonest or fraudulent? And why only pick on this one guy, there are others, I have proven that. Is it because of the price? Of course it is!!!!!

The anemone would cost me 2 1/2 months worth of groceries. When I found out the monties were common, it wouldn't be such a big deal. If I found out the anemone was a BTA, I'd be driving to CO.

Would you consider a different color bta, which only a handful of people have, to be rare? Would you consider the White Bengal Tiger to be rare? After all it is only a color morph of the Bengal Tiger and there were only 30 in 1998 (larger number than what we have established for this anemone). And I am sure you could get a lot of people on the board to say they have seen a White Bengal Tiger.

Plus, I don't want to get PitBull too mad at me. If those anemones turn out to be something special, I might want to buy one someday-if I could afford one, that is.

How can they ever be special, they are only a bta?

So all this said and done is the seller a fraud or being dishonest and should be ridiculed (over and over again)? Or is he just not very good at listing items on eBay and some people very passionate about the hobby have over reacted?

I am sure I will not get answers to all of my questions (I never do), but if nothing else it is food for thought.
 
Joe, Joe, Joe....I guess the first step is admitting you have a problem. Reefoholic and debateoholic, man you got some issues buddy. Good luck with this thread.:D
Brian
 
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