Recent attitudes in the Anemone and Clownfish forum

elegance coral said:
I'm looking at the names in this thread, and i see some very knowledgeable and experienced hobbyists. I don't think the advice given to someone new to the hobby should be based on what these experienced hobbyists are capable of, though. One of the most important factors that determine success or failure, is the ability to recognize a problem and know how to respond correctly, and in a timely fashion. This only comes with experience. I believe that telling a new person they need a good sized tank and good quality lighting, to keep an anemone, is good solid advice. I wouldn't attempt to walk across a tight rope 100' in the air. Even though I know it's possible and I've seen it done. I lack the experience and knowledge to make it across safely. Sure, I might get lucky, but the odds are against it. LOL.
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No offense, but the odds are very very much against it. ;)

But, you make a great point. There are a couple of things that I do, that I would never suggest a new person do -- because, like you said, I have learned to see issues before they become problems.

I tend to (( with my advise )) err on the side of being cautious, in the end anemones are still difficult to keep and their care shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
good stuff... Just wanted to contribute and increase my post total so I appear more exeperienced.. too bad i cant change my join date
 
being blunt and trying to get your point across is sometimes not taken well. while you might be giving good info in a blunt manner, someone might misconstrue it as a mean post against them. its not easy to put feelings in a posting to show how someone is supposed to take you. i know when i get mad or soemthing i try to re read the post to hope i dont offend someone.
i tend to see that nems are not really hard to take care of really. what was bad to do 10 years ago might be ok now. older bulbs from 10 years ago are not as good or specifically made for aquariums as they are now. i have a gbta in a 12g nano. it was 3" when i got it and now it split and both are 4"+.
i kept btas under MH as well. i actually nursed a bleached haddoni back to bright green after a few months and gave it away.
i think nems are easier to keep, and the only way for people to become knowledgable with something is to try it and do it. but with knowledge, comes responsibility.

awesome post
 
Long time salt water fan.... Back into it.. AMAZING how things has changed!

I will tell you all, that I admire all advice on this forum and have done some personal PM's for more advice questions behind this board. (Why? cause the anemones that I adore have lived on food that is frowned upon here. You know who you are, and I thank you. They seemed happier :))
I will tell you, if I posted what I had done... I feel that I would had been flamed over and over again.... and told to take my anemones back to the store/personal home where I got them from. Sorry, I disagree....
I started my 90 gallon tank with fully cured lived rock, live sand from my local FS that I trust who kept it in big 4x4 bins filtering thru his systems.... I had bins of rocks curing in one of my back bedrooms in my house. I had bought my 90 tank, Seeking to have more live life in my tanks over all my sweet nano's tanks. I cured my rock over 2 months before hand, with what I was looking for in my new 90 tank....

Live rock cured with living critters, live sand, water from established tank.... 7 days, later... WOW! Can this really be true from what I've read on all forums? NO WAY! Okay, now flame suit is really on.... I knew what I wanted.... I waited until day 10.(Flame suit on) My tank was cycled. You all gonna kill me now? I waited another week.... I did add my clown and anemone. now my new tank is under 5mos old.... Can you see what I may perhaps be doing wrong?

Now, what I will/can tell you all, They are and, I adore and my tanks are my life. When I see.... Now this is the magic.... word... for those who know their tanks... we see things....something wrong or my tests results are off.... You bet your butt, I am on top of it. I do not care care what time of the night it is.... or if I may have to call into work.
 
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DZs said:
Long time salt water fan.... Back into it.. AMAZING how things has changed!

I will tell you all, that I admire all advice on this forum and have done some personal PM's for more advice questions behind this board. (Why? cause the anemones that I adore have lived on food that is frowned upon here. You know who you are, and I thank you. They seemed happier :))
I will tell you, if I posted what I had done... I feel that I would had been flamed over and over again.... and told to take my anemones back to the store/personal home where I got them from. Sorry, I disagree....
I started my 90 gallon tank with fully cured lived rock, live sand from my local FS that I trust who kept it in big 4x4 bins filtering thru his systems.... I had bins of rocks curing in one of my back bedrooms in my house. I had bought my 90 tank, Seeking to have more live life in my tanks over all my sweet nano's tanks. I cured my rock over 2 months before hand, with what I was looking for in my new 90 tank....

Live rock cured with living critters, live sand, water from established tank.... 7 days, later... WOW! Can this really be true from what I've read on all forums? NO WAY! Okay, now flame suit is really on.... I knew what I wanted.... I waited until day 10.(Flame suit on) My tank was cycled. You all gonna kill me now? I waited another week.... I did add my clown and anemone. now my new tank is under 5mos old.... Can you see what I may perhaps be doing wrong?

Now, what I will/can tell you all, They are and, I adore and my tanks are my life. When I see.... Now this is the magic.... word... for those who know their tanks... we see things....something wrong or my tests results are off.... You bet your butt, I am on top of it. I do not care care what time of the night it is.... or if I may have to call into work.
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Now I will say, this is my personal experience. It may not be yours.....
 
deangelr said:
good stuff... Just wanted to contribute and increase my post total so I appear more exeperienced.. too bad i cant change my join date
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Post count does not equal an experienced reefer. Drawing attention to yourself by trying to increase your post count is never a good idea.
 
DZs -- That is the type of post that bothers me -- and has for a while. IMO, you got lucky, but you seem proud of it.

I have been doing my best to help people, and lately it has fallen on deaf ears, and now this thread, it is the last straw..... Going to have to take a break from this section for a while, has become too frustrating.
 
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Toddrtrex said:
DZs -- That is the type of post that bothers me -- and has for a while. IMO, you got lucky, but you seem proud of it.

I have been doing my best to help people, and lately it has fallen on deaf ears, and now this thread, it is the last straw..... Going to have to take a break from this section for a while, has become too frustrating.
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This is a real shame. Todd, you are one of the more knowledgeable people in this forum and to have you step away will be a great loss. I understand why, and it is certainly frustrating, but by stepping away will only allow more misinformation to be given without the experience and knowledge to counter it.

I have been finding myself frustrated as well by the amount misinformation I have been seeing lately, across the board.
 
Toddrtrex said:
DZs -- That is the type of post that bothers me -- and has for a while. IMO, you got lucky, but you seem proud of it.

I have been doing my best to help people, and lately it has fallen on deaf ears, and now this thread, it is the last straw..... Going to have to take a break from this section for a while, has become too frustrating.
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Todd, I value your knowledge over on this forum. Plus I have private Pm you how to make my anemones more happy. For they have lived on outside of silverside fish. Kill...I am just wondering why you dislike my BTA survival? I love my tank life and out of my 90 tank, it seems that I love my clowns with anemones. I do know you hate me/ flame suit on.... but, have you ever seen life outside of the 90 day thing?
 
Toddrtrex said:
DZs -- That is the type of post that bothers me -- and has for a while. IMO, you got lucky, but you seem proud of it.

I have been doing my best to help people, and lately it has fallen on deaf ears, and now this thread, it is the last straw..... Going to have to take a break from this section for a while, has become too frustrating.
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Todd - I hope you don't take a break from here. I also hope you do not put this in the same category as misinformation and see this as condoning failures to research. There are times when being direct is needed, but I've seen toouch hostility here lately. I just try to put myself back in the newbie shoes, and hope that people would teach me instead of pick me apart.

Just as those that defend their bluntness comes across as hostile, being blunt can also be just that, blunt and to the point -but without hostility. Todd is perhaps the best of us on here at this.
 
I will say, I do hope not hope Toddrtrex do not stop posting And I value his post along bues0022.I value their posts to future my knowledge. Flame on me...
 
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well now that we're trying to be friendly, ive seen the acronym OP being tossed around in a few threads but have no idea what it means. ive been hesitant to ask what it is cuz i felt kinda stupid. so... what is OP? lol sorry
 
miguelp19 said:
well now that we're trying to be friendly, ive seen the acronym OP being tossed around in a few threads but have no idea what it means. ive been hesitant to ask what it is cuz i felt kinda stupid. so... what is OP? lol sorry
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OP = Original poster. The person that started the thread.
 
Toddrtrex said:
DZs -- That is the type of post that bothers me -- and has for a while. IMO, you got lucky, but you seem proud of it.

I have been doing my best to help people, and lately it has fallen on deaf ears, and now this thread, it is the last straw..... Going to have to take a break from this section for a while, has become too frustrating.
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It's sad to hear that you're taking a break, but I fully understand. I haven't been here near as long as you have, and I've had to take several breaks. I just look forward to your speedy return. Your advice, and style of delivering it, is priceless to this forum.
 
You know............... What's truly frustrating is when someone with years of research and experience behind them, gives advice and someone new to the hobby chimes in and says, "I did the opposite and it worked great." All that proves is that life has an incredible ability to survive horrific conditions. Odds are that the experienced hobbyists has done the opposite and got away with it as well. Over time, they learn better ways of doing things, and it's this knowledge they try to pass on to others.

My haddoni survived about 24 hours, in a ten gallon tank, with the temp at 45 degrees, and no water movement. What does that prove? Should I now be telling people how hardy haddoni's are and they don't need water movement or warm water? I surly hope the answer is no. I kept a small damsel with a large lion fish for a year or two. Does that prove that big fish don't eat little ones? Of course not. Just because a new person gets away with doing something against the advice of an experienced hobbyists it doesn't mean the advice was wrong. It probably just means that the new guy got lucky. Just like the little damsel and haddoni did.

Sometimes we have to tell people things they don't want to hear. We shouldn't beat them up over it, but it's just the right thing to do. Bues, you probably remember the thread where I got criticized for telling someone their fish was malnourished and needed help. They posted pic's of their clarkii, showing off their new pet. Most people just told them how beautiful their new fish was. I chimed in and told them how bad off their fish really was and that it needed their help. I got slammed for it as if I was simply trying to criticize them or their fish. I saw that the fish was in trouble and it was obvious that the owner had no clue. I didn't beat them up over it or flame them, yet I still got slammed for not being positive and uplifting. Has it gotten so bad that we need to candy coat our advice to insure that we don't heart anyone's feelings? Even when the lives of their pets are at risk?????
 
EC, I remember that thread. I realize that you were trying to help the OP who didn't know his fish needed more concern then he was giving it. I don't see a problem with that kind of helpfulness. I also agree with your frustration with inexperienced members describing what they did (sometimes by sheer dumb luck), and telling others that things are possible without understanding the animals in question. The problem for newbies asking questions, is they can't tell the difference between someone who just lucked out, and someone Luke yourself with years of experience. If experiences people were to take Oneida sentence to describe their position your experience would show through.

Look, this thread discussion has changed from where I thought it would be. On not condoning newbies making large mistakes, I'm not saying we need to sugar coat everything, and I'm certainly not saying we need to walk on egg shells. The purpose of this thread was not to "call out" the very experienced people in this thread. I was concerned of late partially due to many newer members in this forum giving out poor information, and in a rather agressive manner. The "corporate culture" was changing, and I wanted to keep it more professional before it slid too far. I always used to value this forum because it seemed to be a place to get great information and do so in I professional manner.
 
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I haven't seen the thread that prompted you to post this one, so I'm probably a little in the dark and missing half the story.

I do agree with you about the way some people respond when someone is keeping an animal under questionable conditions. Being rude, attacking, or belittling someone will not achieve the intended goal. If our concern is truly for the well being of the animal, it would be much wiser to be polite and try to gain that persons trust. Forcing them into a defensive position serves no purpose.
 
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