Red bugs on your sps? Share your exp.

I think we might be on to something here. I have two fire gobies. While watching them yesterday, I noticed one eating these bugs! If Matt is right and gobies will eat these bugs, a smaller one like he has might be the key. I still wouldn't worry about them too much.
 
Hey Reefmonster, sounds like you have a run of the mill Clown Goby. I might have to stop at my LFS and pick up a couple as they're only 8 bucks each. Thanks for the heads up reefmonster.
OJ
 
Hi all, Reefmonster.
I have good news. Well I went to my LFS as stated above and got two yellow clown Gobies. And as reefmonster discribes they setteled in and started munching red bugs. I'll try to get an exact ID and a pic for everyone.
OJ
 
Microamphipods

Microamphipods

These "red mites" are generally harmless. IMHO they feed on slime or dying/dead tissue preferring some species over others. They will typically wax and wane and are seldom a problem. We don't recommend using Redox+ for the eradication of these pests but it will eradicate them AND everything else in a captive system unless great care is used. These "microamphipods" are attracted to some species of Acropora that are sliming probably in response to some stress or are already failing. Moving affected corals to less intense light and moderate random currents usually does the trick until the next invasion. HTH :hmm6:
 
Re: Microamphipods

Re: Microamphipods

cubera said:
These "red mites" are generally harmless... These "microamphipods" are attracted to some species of Acropora that are sliming probably in response to some stress or are already failing. Moving affected corals to less intense light and moderate random currents usually does the trick until the next invasion. HTH :hmm6:

Hi Cubera, could you elaborate more on how you gathered or deduced this information? I am gathering scientific and other documentation and reports and there seems to be a big gap between field observations and aquarium experience. I have several tanks in which I am "experimenting" w/ these guys and some of your remarks conflict w/ my findings and observations. Could you elaborate more on acropora species in question please as I believe certain physical and other characteristics play a role in resistance vs infestation.

For those of you who want to know what these guys are they are harpacticoid copepods. I had a dozen samples keyed out by a harpacticoid specialist at USC and the genus name is Tegastes. From trhe literature it appears that only one species has been described infesting acroporas and I so far cannot distinguish the diagrams from the original description from the microphotographs that were made. The species is acrophoranus, so our lil bugs are called Tegastes acrophoranus. I am soon going to compile my info and gathered experiences into an article which will appear online.
 
I got a few frags that got these red bugs. Most of them got well and eliminated these bugs. Only one frag did not do well but still hanging on. I think these bugs are opportunistic feeder on weak dammaged corals. They usually do not cause damage to a healthy SPS. I do have a pair of Yellow clown gobies. These clown gobies live in larger healthy SPS and not venture anywhere near the small frags that used to have these red bugs.
 
Hi Jake,

I am most interested in your post since you seem to have indentified the "bugs" as harpacticoid copepods. This was my first guess as well, though I am by no means a copepod specialist. (See my comments first page of this thread)

I had posted some fairly good pics of some of the appendages of the bug and also speculated that perhaps the primary damage was done by the larval form of the animal. Dr Ron replied saying that a "reality check" was in order. He said in rather certain terms that the animals are amphipods and gave some examples of the relative anatomical differences in amphipod vs copepod. I guess I'm a skeptic and didn't buy everything he said, but some comments were pretty hard to argue. (I saw a single eye spot with three distinct reflecting regions, he saw two separate eyes. I thought I saw caudul rami, he saw a "fan tail" We both did see what appear to be oostegites. I now have a few better images of this particular appendage. It appears to be the last appendage on the animal and could be described as a leg with a modified flat disc in it. The animals are definitely using this appendage to hold an egg sac. I have not been able to observe any developing larvae within the space between the wide spots, which Dr Ron called the brood chamber.) I believe the text of this thread is in the coral forum.

Anyway, now you are saying they are copepods so I am curious as to who has made the correct ID. It would be great if you could get your expert contact to elaborate on his ID and the characteristics he used to make the ID!

As for what I have seen, since making those posts some back, I do have a little more to add. I have observed the bugs crawling down into the polyp's openings and then back out. The coral did NOT eat the bug but instead was irritated by the bug's presence. I have also seen what appear to be very small younger versions of the bugs on the corals as well. Unfortuantely, I don't have a micrscope capable of sufficient resolution to get a good photo. I have one or two photos of the red eye spot showing the three reflective areas, but I suppose this could be an early naupliar eye before developing into two separate eyes. I also have several pics of the bugs using their largest forward appendage to grasp the coral and this appears to be how they hold fast most of the time. It does not seem to difficult to think many of these bugs crawing around all over the coral could create quite a bit of irritation.

Given your copepod contact and your assimilation of data on these animals, it would also be great if you post your findings and the compiled observations. Though I understand it will be VERY difficult to separate real observations from percieved observations.

Keep us posted, Mutagen
 
Hi mutagen,

I am no expert, not even close myself but I had them keyed by 2 specialists, w/ some assistance, to the genus level and from there did a search on the species in the genus. I am going to send Dr. shimek some samples and I also cited the original description, diagrams and all in his forum last night. If you see the diagram and the micropics I have, its easy for the untrained eye to see very unique morphological characteristics. I got goosebumps when I saw one take up the screen on the microscope monitor.
 
Mutagen I think there is a good detailing of the eggsac carrying appendage in the OD and some info using it to distinguish other species.
 
Reefmonster
These are the little guys that are eating the bugs in my tank. But so far they only control them in the acro's in which they live. Frags are still infested because the Godies don't seam to spend much if any time on them.
Anyway here's a pic.

OJ
 
Personally, I think these red bugs are opportunistic parasites on our SPS. I only see them in Acropora that are not healthy. I have multiple SPS frags that come into my tank with them, most recovered and these bugs disappeared. I do have these yellow clown gobies (two in my 400 g) but never seen them hanging around the frags with these red mites. I never saw my Mandarin pair eat any bugs from these sick frags either.
BTW, not all of these frags recovered. However, I never have any of my healthy colony get infected with these bugs.
 
I actually picked up one of the Yellow Clown Gobies a few weeks ago and the populations of red bugs have declined. I will not say this is why for sure, as I have never seen it directly eat them, but its favorite perch is in a colony of digitata right next to my only "heavily" infested Acro. It just sits there and looks at the acro most of the day....coincidence?

Also, realize these fish (at least mine) won't eat dead food. I would suggest ethical purchasing along the lines of mandarins.... BTW, it apparently does no harm to the sandbed either, as it always stays in the upper 1/3 of the water colum - usually perched on a coral.
 
Takes some time but it should come around to eating frozen and flake foods. So far mine have taken flakes over frozen but will eat mysis shimp at times.
OJ
 
There are some new developments over in shimek's forum. I sent samples of my bugs that were keyed out to a copepod genus level. He compared them to some amphipods someone else sent him as acro fleas so perhaps we are dealing w/ several diferent pods, maybe mimicking each other even. the thread is entitled Harpacticoids, tegastes.
 
shawnz28 said:
I was curious if anyone else had tried the gobies and if they had any effect.

I have kept citron and green clown gobies in the past. My first cirton will most likely be my last. The fish irritated one of my favorite colonies reducing it from 12" to a 4" frag. The green clown never bothered any of my corals. I know others have had good results with clown gobies, but be aware your results may vary.

I now have the bugs too. I added a couple of frags last week, the first in about 5 months, and now my tri-color colonies are infested. Looks like a dust, but in constant motion. Not cool. Sounds like the jury is still out. Even if they were found to be bad it appears that there is no reliable method of erradication. I guess I will add a couple of more powerheads to up flow in my sps section.

The frags I got from Newkie where a green montipora that wasn't doing well in his tank and a blue tipped stag. Grrr, I hate it when I get more than I hoped for.
 
I would try a 6-line wrasse. After keeping a close eye on mine, i noticed him constantly snooping around my SPS colonies and every once in a while taking a small peck at it. I am glad to say that i have no more of these red bugs on my acros and will be happy to take in any free colonies that have them.
 
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