Silent and Failsafe Overflow System

[adamwheel]

Avoiding filter socks/fish death trap on full siphon:

I've posted a few times on this thread asking how to avoid filter socks on the full siphon. Bean and others replied with what they do to avoid the death trap but still keep clear water.

I've done a couple things that have given my DIY 178 gal SPS reef the clearest water I've had in a couple years and thought I'd quickly share here.

1. I purchased an Emperor Aquatics UV 40 Watt (sized for my aquarium). Found it used and paid about 50% that of retail. This helped a great deal with water clarity but the particles in the water were still annoying.

2. I've now installed a Cascade 1500 external canister filter (rated for 200 gal system) and it's made all the difference.

The water clarity is spectacular and fish can escape to the sump without harm when they get swept into the C2C overflow. I did create overflow covers that allow about 5/8" gap between water and covers but chromis and wrasses still find their way in at times.

I hope this helps someone.

Cheers,

Adam

 

[EvMiBo]

I'm redoing my bean animal plumbing on my 135 in part because I just got a new sump. I also want to move the true union ball valve on the siphon drain lower, just above the sump (as I've read this purges air better when it restarts after a poweroutage, etc - makes sense). I currently have a waterblaster 7000lph, 1" drain bulkheads, and 1.5" drain pipe, and the ball valve is roughly halfway open/closed. I just bought a Jecod DCS12000 that I plan on running at 60-70%. The drop is about 5' and will only have 2 45degree elbows on each drain line after the sanitary tees.

- My new sump has three drain input fittings, but they're 1". I assumed I could just switch to 1" drain pipe but I don't know if it could handle the flow or not, thoughts?

- Would 1.5" drain piping reduced to 1" piping at the drain input fittings allow for higher flow? Or is that equivalent to just having all 1" drain pipe?

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Can anyone help me out?

 

[yoki32]

Is the Open Channel Standpipe suppose to spit out air bubbles once landing in the sump?

It says on Bean's website that "Because the flow is very low, very little air makes its way to the sump."

I am getting some large bubbles coming out and some of them enter my skimmer pump. Anyway to remedy this?

 

[woodnaquanut]

Is the Open Channel Standpipe suppose to spit out air bubbles once landing in the sump?

It says on Bean's website that "Because the flow is very low, very little air makes its way to the sump."

I am getting some large bubbles coming out and some of them enter my skimmer pump. Anyway to remedy this?

Perhaps you have too much flow in the OC? Try opening up the siphon valve a small amount.

 

[yoki32]

@woodnaquanut - Yeah that was the issue...it resolved my problem! Thanks I appreciate it!

 

[Mr.Tan]

Fired up my build for the first time tonight using fresh water only to check for leaks and do the tuning on it. It is a 29g tank with a 10g sump running a sicce syncra return pump and using 3/4" piping. The full siphon seems to be working perfectly and didnt take long to tune at all. But i think i might have tuned it wrong? I dunno... I did NOT install the tube yet on the open channel, i need to do that tomorrow. But i am getting a bit of water dripping/running noise coming from the OC as it drains into the sump. The FS and OC lines each drain 1" below the water line. What can I do to remove the noise of the water? or is it something normal i'll have to deal with? it really doesnt bother me but i just thought it was supposed to be quiet....?


also, i am going to install plastic ratchet clamps on the three drain lines (will remove the steel hose clamp) as well as the output of the return pump to keep the hose on

here is a video that shows the noise i mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70LdlXVCeWo&feature=youtu.be

 

[woodnaquanut]

@ Mr. Tan - I'm going to suggest the same as above.

Open the FS valve a bit to reduce the noise/flow in the OC.

 

[Mr.Tan]

@ Mr. Tan - I'm going to suggest the same as above.

Open the FS valve a bit to reduce the noise/flow in the OC.

i think that solved the problem... or not? The OC no longer seems to be draining as much water. Now it has barely a trickle coming out, sometimes it looks like none and then barely anything comes running out of it. Is this normal? The only audible sound i get is the water running into my overflow now (which doesnt bother me too much) and my pump running (which isn't as quiet as i thought it would be :sicce syncra 2.0: )

 

[Spar]

i think that solved the problem... or not? The OC no longer seems to be draining as much water. Now it has barely a trickle coming out, sometimes it looks like none and then barely anything comes running out of it. Is this normal? The only audible sound i get is the water running into my overflow now (which doesnt bother me too much) and my pump running (which isn't as quiet as i thought it would be :sicce syncra 2.0: )

there is a happy equilibrium between how much water the FS and OC siphon out. on mine it is the point where the water in the overflow is high enough to cancel out most of the noise, yet where the OC doesn't have a bunch of bubbles.

perhaps you need to close the FS just slightly until you get to that point?

 

[yoki32]

I have another question. Can I attach a Felt Filter Sock with Draw String directly on the Full siphon standpipe end in my sump? If my power goes out and comes back on, will the sock affect my siphon break-in?

 

[Spar]

I have another question. Can I attach a Felt Filter Sock with Draw String directly on the Full siphon standpipe end in my sump? If my power goes out and comes back on, will the sock affect my siphon break-in?

if the top of the sock is below the end of the siphon pipe then you would be fine. the problem I see with having it to where the pipe goes into the sock, is that as the sock gunks up the water level in the sock will go up and you will likely get back pressure if/when the water level in the sock goes well above the end of the pipe.

 

[uncleof6]

Can anyone help me out?

Reducing to 1" at the sump from 1.5" will not be a good idea. Although 1" at the top of the drain increasing to 1.5" will reduce the friction losses in the system, and yield a higher net flow, reducing at the bottom to 1" will kill the flow, and likely cause other "jet stream" effects you may not care for. Bypass the bulkhead inlets to the sump, and run the drains directly into the skimmer section of the sump.

 

[uncleof6]

I have another question. Can I attach a Felt Filter Sock with Draw String directly on the Full siphon standpipe end in my sump? If my power goes out and comes back on, will the sock affect my siphon break-in?

Bad idea, for reasons already stated.

 

[yoki32]

OK so I installed a mesh filter bag on the Siphon standpipe since a felt one would be a bad option. I unplugged power and tested the siphon with the sock on and siphon started normally at around the same time it takes without a sock on. I know I gotta change these after 3 days but I will try again when the sock gets more cloggued...and post my results.

 

[jason2459]

The issue of the water rising is the same if it's mesh or felt. Also, a full siphon + filter sock is not good for any fish that may get sucked down it. I've never had a fish take a ride down the siphon yet but many others have.

 

[Floyd R Turbo]

OK so I installed a mesh filter bag on the Siphon standpipe since a felt one would be a bad option. I unplugged power and tested the siphon with the sock on and siphon started normally at around the same time it takes without a sock on. I know I gotta change these after 3 days but I will try again when the sock gets more cloggued...and post my results.

If the sock clogs enough, it won't easily release air on startup. So the system might never purge, and then if it does, flow will be reduced forcing the OC to run stronger and probably oscillate. While this would be an audible indication that your filter sock needs cleaning, it also hampers your system failsafe operation, which is the point of the BeanAnimal system. I would just not do it.

 

[yoki32]

Any other alternatives of hanging the sock somewhere else then? I don't have a specific hanging section for socks in my sump and that was the only possible place i could fix them on. I don't have any fish/inverts/corals yet in my whole system. I'm at my 5th week of cycling tank. I had a diatom bloom and I see it slowly diminish but alot of crap is going through my skimmer and i wanna diminish this with socks. I know skimmers are not suppose to pick up debris but mine does. The smell is horrible too...

 

[Rybren]

Why do you even want to run socks?

 

[rpaschoal]

I have read to many parts of this thread , but it´s impossible to read all of it , and i have one question ... I hope someone could help me !!
Why in the Beananimal project both standpipe ( full siphon and open channel ) are at the same level and all videos that i saw on Youtube the open channel standpipe is always a little bit higher then the full siphon ? and the emergency standpipe always a little bit lower then the open channel standpipe ? in fact the emergency standpipe is always in the middle level betwen open channel and full siphon on all youtube videos ... what is the correct setup to do ?

 

[rpaschoal]

Nobody here ??????