skimmer upgrade or not?

Ellery

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Just looking for some opinions..
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I have a 125+90+20g sump (megaflow4) with an AquaC EV180 and Turboflotor Multi (rated for 250gallons) skimmer both running. Should I consolidate to a bigger cone skimmer enough for at least 300 gallons?

I have mostly mushrooms and about 15 fish. (Half are tangs > 4 inches) I've been having algae issues and water changes, gfo&gac haven't slowed it down. I figure maybe my skimmers aren't efficient enough.

Any recommendations?
 
Manufacturer's ratings are hard to apply to individual tanks.. Mushroom's shouldn't mind a little extra PO4 and NO3. Green nuisance algae are limited( won't live although some are capableofusing organicphosphate or grabbing it as it leaches from rocks previously exposedto high PO4) at PO4 of .03ppm or less, so more aggressive gfo use or other PO4 removal actions might help. Gac is very helpful in removing organics and the PO4 and nitrogen they hold before they breakdown. A chaetomorpha refugium can help too.

I use two asm skimmers for the 600gallon system, a 4x with a pump that pushes 900gph and a 4xx wihich moves 1500gph through it . So, about 4x system volume per hour through the skimmers wprks for me. I don't know the pump capacity on your skimmer which iswhat I go on.
 
Thanks for the input Tom! Congrats for the TOTM too!

The AquaC EV180 has a Quiet One 3000 (819 gph) and the Turboflotor is on a Ocean Runner 2700 (at 977 gph). They both pull out decent skimmate every day but not sure it's enough. The rest of my sump has 2 liters of NP Biopellet reactors.

I'm hoping to curb the phosphates which I last measured to be 0.11 on the Hanna Photometer which is probably what's causing the spongy hair algae to start recently. The killer is none of my tangs, rabbitfish nor lawnmower blenny eat any of this.

I just did a water change and vacuumed a bunch of sludge I found in the 125.

I'm in deep need for a large cleanup crew since they are all gone too. Eventually I'd like to get back to SPS. Until then I gotta get the proper setup to sustain a lower nutrient environment with the current inhabitants that's been in here for quite a few years.

I've already tried Chaeto and Algae scrubbers in the past but keep running back into the same issues. That's why I'm re-evaluating my system since it's been 6 years since I setup this system and for the most part everything has been fine till this past year.

Unfortunately I only have a 11"x13" space for a large skimmer if I do get one. Anybody have a COne skimmer they would think is good for a 250 gallon system?
 
That 1796gph sounds like plenty of skimming to me. The skimmer size will not help inorganic phospahate (PO4) It does not remove it. .11ppm is pretty high. More GFO, or another phosphate remover like lanthanum chloride may be in your future. If nitrate is also high ,organic carbon dosing might be the way to go with a little vodka and vinegar or just vinegar.

Thankyou for the congratulations
 
Tom,
Yes I have lanthanum Chloride but haven't not done it consistently as Gary mentioned into a 10 micron sock in a high flow area. I've been dosing 6ml into my AquaC once in a while. I should probably. Dose and remeasure a day later to see if it has any large effects.

BTW I thought using Biopellets is the same as dosing vodka? Am I missing something?
 
Not the same.
Pellets are carbohydrates( polymers). In a simplified version of the anaerobic digestion process: the carbohydrates breakdown to monmers (sugars). The sugars go to ethanol(vodka) and then to acetic acid( vinegar) which goes to acetate. The bacteria acting on the organics consume some inorganicNO3 andPO4 and make it exportable via skimming. Different bacteria dominate at different steps .
The bacterial strains and by products on the top end of this cascade give lot's of folks trouble when using polymers or monomers. Personally, I've had trouble with serious lps recission when I tried small amounts of sugar so I stay down the line from it. Lot's of reports of difficulty with the pellets over time.
I've been dosing vodka and vinegar continuously for 3yrs with very good results. Ultimately it all reduces to acetate which corals and other organisms can use. So, I start closer to that end point supporting only the bacteria that breakdown ethanol and vinegar skipping the crbohydrate breakdown and fermentation.( Actually if my tank had a few hundred feet of sand in it it would all go to methane gas).
The whole process from carbohydrate(polymer) to methane is called mehtanogeneisis. The process to acetate is called acetogenesis if you or others want to research it.

It's also easier to control how much is dosed with a direct dosing method like vodka or vinegar rather than guessing on flow and amounts of pellets, types of reactors , clogs etc. I read volumes of threads and posts abut the pellets and decided I'm not a fan.

Those who dose just vodka have some issues with cyanobacteria which is also a common complaint with pellets. Acetic acid is less useful to cyano so many dose just vinegar. In my case 70% of my organic carbon comes in the form of ethanol with 30% in the form of acetic acid and visible cyano is non existent.
 
Great info Tom - I'll continue to research more -I've read a bunch on melev's site on vodka dosing as well so I may try to figure out how much I need to does and program my doser to automatically follow the recommended amounts somehow to get it going.

I manually dosed 6ml of LCL last 2 nights and remeasured the P04 levels again and now they are down to 0.02ppm so heading in the right direction.

I figure I'll give it shot before dropping some major $ on another skimmer. I guess I would actually prefer some Clean up crews instead. I'll see if any of the LFS has an urchin or for me to put 1 in each tank.
 
Melev was in early several years ago. There has ben a lot of new experience since then. Many threads on the Chemistry forum.

Urchins are neat but some will graze your coraline.
 
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