Sump pump suggestions...

[triggreef]

That won't break the bank.... rather have submersible but not apposed to external. Head will be 8 or 9 feet and I'd like to get 800 gph or close at least. Was looking at danner hy 2100 that looked great for $169 but uses 190w. Then I found the slightly smaller danner 1800 mag drive that only uses 145w and cost about same. Reef lo & barracuda out of my range$ & stats didn't really seem impressive
comparable to others any way. Thoughts?

 

[mcgyvr]

Eheim 1262, or a waterblaster or I really like my reeflo blowhole 1450.. Its super quite/external only though.

 

[glarior]

That won't break the bank.... rather have submersible but not apposed to external. Head will be 8 or 9 feet and I'd like to get 800 gph or close at least. Was looking at danner hy 2100 that looked great for $169 but uses 190w. Then I found the slightly smaller danner 1800 mag drive that only uses 145w and cost about same. Reef lo & barracuda out of my range$ & stats didn't really seem impressive
comparable to others any way. Thoughts?

I use four sicce syncra 5 in my setup. 105watts each, 978gph @ 7ft. Max head 12.6ft. 1"inlet and 3/4" out... using 1.25" hose and 1" outlet hose. Paid 100 bucks for each one.

My two cents :beer:

 

[Ratchnick]

Mag 9.5 or some such

 

[triggreef]

That water blaster is intriguing. A little higher price but less maintenance & good warranty. & way less watts.

 

[uncleof6]

Eheim 1262, or a waterblaster or I really like my reeflo blowhole 1450.. Its super quite/external only though.

Eheim 1262 @ 8' ~ 400 gph, are you kidding me? The op wants twice that....... or 800 gph at 8' - 9'. What model of WaterBlaster?

OP:

Mags won't do it, unless you first plan on using 1.5" return plumbing.

Sicce Syncra 5.0, won't do it, unless you know how to absolutely minimize the friction loss in the plumbing. The spec is 978 @ 7', you are wanting 8' - 9'. That two feet makes a difference.

What are you trying to do? Most of these old standard pumps, are for typical installations @ around 3' - 4' of static lift. If you are trying to get up out of a basement, you need to be looking at pressure rated iwakis/panworld/blueline, reeflo (they are good pumps,) etc. They are going to cost you dollars, and watts. If 8' - 9' is your static lift only, you need to be looking at even larger pumps, depending on what you do with the plumbing.

 

[triggreef]

Uncle, I was looking at the waterblaster 7000 It claims 660gph at 10' and runs at 88watts.

What was your thought on the danner 1800? runs at 145 watss and They claim 1300+ gph at 4 feet which is better than the 988' the waterblaster claims at 4 feet.

It would be pointless to run these through 1 1/2" return since their outlet is smaller.

And yes I'm trying to go from a 60g basement sump up to a 125g dt.

 

[uncleof6]

Uncle, I was looking at the waterblaster 7000 It claims 660gph at 10' and runs at 88watts.

What was your thought on the danner 1800? runs at 145 watss and They claim 1300+ gph at 4 feet which is better than the 988' the waterblaster claims at 4 feet.

It would be pointless to run these through 1 1/2" return since their outlet is smaller.

And yes I'm trying to go from a 60g basement sump up to a 125g dt.

No it is not pointless. The instruction for these pumps call for 1.5" pipe on the outlet. You need 1.5" pipe if you want to get any flow out of these pumps. Of course, no one reads the instructions for a pump......

None of the pumps you are looking at will get you up out of the basement @ 800 gph. Plus you are selling yourself short as you should be shooting for 1200 +. @ 10' - 12'--which is more where your head loss is going to be--if you pay attention to the pipe size, rather than match the outlet size, if you match the outlet size you will likely be operating the pump at shutoff head. First you have to find some pumps that will do that, and then you have to choose what "watts" you are willing to accept from those choices.

Efficiency out of the basement is a matter of dollars, if you want to save "watts"--Waveline DC10000 2640 gph @ 0', max head 16.4' 6 speed adjustable DC motor, at Max output (2640 gph) 85 watts. $299.00 The DC5000 is the next size down, 1320 @ 0' (40 watts), but the max head is only 9.8'. $199.00. I trust bean's impression of these pumps. Again, though, these are flow biased pumps, and really a pressure biased pump is better suited for coming up out of the basement.

 

[rwb500]

dont the big external pump brands have pumps specifically designed for high head height? i think this is what uncleof6 is referring to in his last sentence.

 

[uncleof6]

Iwaki, panworld, blueline, reeflo, and several others market pressure biased pumps. I have not seen many submersible pressure rated pumps. However, there are some flow biased pumps that may do the job, however they will not be inexpensive.

 

[triggreef]

It would be much easier if they would all give you charts like these. http://coralvue.com/waterblaster-pumps/

I am leaning towards a water blaster 10000, fr 260 And a 3 yr warranty, and I can run it submersible. 1000g+ at 10'

 

[triggreef]

I have not seen any charts on reeflo at all. Just the claims at 0 head. it would be nice to know how much they get at 10' before dropping $400 on one. I'm sorry but they seem way overpriced and there are a ton of poor reviews/ my reeflo froze threads. Lots of good reviews too. Maybe just because they seem to be a top seller. idk.

My self priming 1 1/2 hp inground pool pump didnt cost $400. And it is the same aosmith motor.

 

[triggreef]

finally found the reeflo chart....

Well what about the reeflo bh 1450? they claim 1147g at 10' head and 160w can get one for $180

 

[uncleof6]

I have not seen any charts on reeflo at all. Just the claims at 0 head. it would be nice to know how much they get at 10' before dropping $400 on one. I'm sorry but they seem way overpriced and there are a ton of poor reviews/ my reeflo froze threads. Lots of good reviews too. Maybe just because they seem to be a top seller. idk.

My self priming 1 1/2 hp inground pool pump didnt cost $400. And it is the same aosmith motor.

It is no small wonder that reeflo, in the instructions, says to use Teflon thread sealant. Wonder why threads are freezing, hummm owner did not read the instructions.

Reeflo puts enough information on their website to make an informed decision on pump sizing.

BH 850 @ 10' = 650 gph
BH 1100 @ 10' = 895 gph
BH 1450 @ 10' = 1147 gph

All at full output.

Dart @ 10' = 1550 gph, max head 12'
Barracuda @ 10' = 3325 gph, max head 16'
Hammerhead @ 10' = ~ 4700 gph, max head 20'

Reeflo makes some of the best pumps on the market, get bad reviews on everything available for aquariums out there.

*notes that you visited Reeflo's website....

 

[uncleof6]

finally found the reeflo chart....

Well what about the reeflo bh 1450? they claim 1147g at 10' head and 160w can get one for $180

Perhaps, why don't you put the system together first, then worry about a pump? In this case, the cart comes before the horse. I am not convinced of your head loss at this point. What if your head loss comes up to be 14' or 16' or or or.... you probably think I am nuts, however I have seen it worse. 14' vertical with 42' total......

 

[triggreef]

I built the stand/wall over the weekend, tank is in but empty. trying to order plumbing and pump together and save shipping.

I'm gonna go measure from the sump to the tank now and firm up on the height.

But in either case the reeflo 1450 now that I found the chart seems better cost wise than the water blaster. But will use slightly more power. And of course a little more work siince I'll need to drill the sump.

 

[triggreef]

Sump will be directly under the tank. And the bottom of the sump is exactly 10' from the top of the dt.

 

[uncleof6]

Plan on at least 12' head then. The static lift, is not the total head loss. However, the static lift is measured from water level in the sump, to water level in the main tank, then add the friction loss. Then look at the pump curves.

 

[triggreef]

I just bought the reeflo 1450. For almost $100 less than the water blaster... I'm a sucker for a deal. I also had to get an apex jr for my other tank and a couple other powerheads so it was nice to get it all from the same place. Expensive day for me.