The Moorish Idol Thread

It is the only food that I also know of that supposedly contains sponge and may be your only choice.
I am lucky in that I can collect sponges but I know of some people that never feed sponge and their Idol lived a few years.
If I had no sponge I would feed Ocean Nutrition.
 
Hey Paul, Long time.

I'm one of those that Paul speaks of. I had my Idol about 4 years before he sufociated when my pumps trippped off line. He had been in capitivity for about 5 years at that point that I knew of.

As far as food goes, My normal rotuine was a varity of different size and types of pellets once a day. Anything else the fish ate was found within the tank. Granted I had several different types of sponges growing naturally in the tank, I never saw my idol eat any of them except some of the purple sponge that was growing on a rock with some Zoa's.

I beleive that the sponge was just a matter of being in the wrong place as the Idol was going after the Zoa's on the rock rather than the sponges. That was the reason I got him was that he was eating the prized Zoa's in another members tank and he needed to get rid of him.

Hey Paul, I'm in the process of redoing my tank. I kind of was in a slump after loosing all of my big fish due to the tripped GFCI. I'm thinking of going with more smaller fish but am also thinking of getting another Idol. The only big fish I have is the pink tail trigger and Majestic angle. You think a pair of Idols will go good in the big tank? Not sure if I want any more Tangs at this point. Maybe get a Copper banded butterfly though. My last one got along fine with the idol after a brief scuffle when I first put the idol in. It figures they would scuffle a little being of the same body shape.

Sad part of everything here Paul is that I no longer have access to NSW for some time. They are doing construction at the college and so we've lost our NSW. I may wait til it's back up and I get a tank full before going with the idol. Something tells me they do better in NSW. ;)

Take care.
 
Crusty yeah long time I hope all is well with you.
A pair of Idos should do fine in your tank as you already know how to take care of them. I have seen them living right alongside long nosed butterflies so copperbands should be no problem. I went with smaller fish also as I wanted a larger variety and they spawn more frequently. Small fish with a pair of Idols in your tank will be outrageous.
 
Hey Paul,
All's fine out here. Hope your enjoying your retirment. How's the Boat captian working out?

I was think the same as you, small fish so i could have more of them. Thinking of like a dosen Six line wrasses, some other small wrasses, and a bunch of anthias of different colors. Maybe throw in some small gobies.
 
We got larger boat last year and are enjoying the heck out of it, we took it to the Stauue Of Liberty last Friday with a bunch of people.
For movement I added a few green chromis and a pair of scissortails. Most of my fish are spawning and when they do that, they stay in the back under a rock.
There was nothing to look at so the smaller fish I picked, don't hide. I just hope they don't start spawning or I won't see them either. :eek2:
 
Crusty once you own a healthy(eating) idol youll never not have one. No other fish is as majestic as an idol imo. I had to get rid of mine when i tore down my 125. Biggest mistake ive ever made. Goodluck with your pair
 
Update: Bart is fat and almost 2 years old. The spots are from the glass and particulates/air bubbles in the water.

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Nice Pic there Scott. He's looking good. Yep, I never had a problem with my Idol and CBB after the initial addition of the idol. The CBB flared at him a few times at first but the idol judt ignored him. After that, they seemed to be best buddies and would swim together most of the time.

Iwishihadgills,
I've been wanting an idol since my first SW tank back in the late 70's. The one I recently had was the greatest. Was at least 5 years old and doing great, niec and fat and healthy. It was a really sad day for me the day I lost him. I'm sure I'll have another one one day. The MI has always ben one of my favorite fish for as long as I can remember.
 
Has anyone successfully kept more then one idol at the same time for a period of time (lets say at least a year) in the same tank?

I have heard many times getting these fish to pair is very hard to do but I am upgrading to a 520g and thinking it could be worth a shot.
 
Can't resist anymore

Can't resist anymore

Ok, for 30 years I've dreamed of having a MI. I've read everything I could get my hands on since that day and lately (past few years) have followed this thread. These days (tha web!!!:lolspin:) I read what I can find on the web but there is not much more aside from a sponge requirement.

I have a 180g with 50g sump (really a 75+ gal but runs with 50) which I know is on the small side for these fish but I can not resist. I plan to have one ordered from hopefully Hawaii as this seems to be the shortest hop to Canada. I intend to have it shipped to a LFS.

The tank is mature and has been running for 4+ years. There is about 140 lbs of live rock at most with most of that LR that came from my previous 6+ year 90 gal setup. It has plenty of coralline variety and other critters growing on it.

What is the best approach to adding a MI to my tank? I have 10 chromis, 1 sixline wrasse, 1 small powder blue and 1x 3" tomato clown (the clown worries me more then the PBT). Do I have a shot at this? Should I add a few small fish at the same time? Based on fish behaviour, it seems to me that the MI's streamer would be a prime target for fish to attack. Is this the case? Which fish should be avoided with a MI. I can't part with the PBT and realize any delicate fish (including a PBT) should be kept alone to be king for them to thrive over years).



......SORRY FOR THE LONG POST - JEEZE :bounce2::rollface::rollface::rollface::rollface::dance:
 
THP: Everything you are looking for is in this thread. I read the whole thing (literally) and learned all I need to know before picking up my Moorish Idol.
 
THP: Everything you are looking for is in this thread. I read the whole thing (literally) and learned all I need to know before picking up my Moorish Idol.

I have read this entire thread (literally) multiple times. I guess I'm now qualified and certified.:spin2:
 
Update: Bart is fat and almost 2 years old. The spots are from the glass and particulates/air bubbles in the water.

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Bart is stunning, and you have a regal angel, care to share your secrets, I want to know everything?
 
Hi Tracey,

Thanks. There are many tricks I have learned over the years. I will post in more depth later. For the most part, I would be considered a heavy feeder. You can tell by the algae growth in my tank. The tank can absorb the nutrients, but I am usually left with more algae than I desire. If you have a healthy functional DSB, you can feed a ton and not worry much. There are many tricks to keeping the more difficult fish. Details to follow.
 
I have read this entire thread (literally) multiple times. I guess I'm now qualified and certified.:spin2:

Then go for it bud! Once you take the plunge, it's gonna feel easy and you're going to wonder why...it's because you did your homework :)
 
Bart is stunning, and you have a regal angel, care to share your secrets, I want to know everything?

Really, success all comes down to mastering the basics. Here is what is most important, IMO.

1. The bigger the tank, the better. Buy the biggest tank you can reasonable afford. You will recoup the upfront expense with more success (less livestock loss). However, you will remain stuck with monthly operational expenses. For most active fish to medium size, it would be nice to have a 180 gallon or larger.

2. Keep it simple with the stocking plan. IMO, you will have much more success with difficult species if you carefully stock your tank. Don't risk battles, injuries, competition, etc. This dooms many species that have difficulty adapting. Don't overstock the tank. The fewer fish, the easier it is to have a healthy tank. This decreases stress, disease spread, and metabolic waste. Proportionally, you can feed your fish much more food if the tank is not heavily stocked. I limit the amount of open water swimmers to may most desired couple fish. Fish that occupy the bottom of the tank, a cave, or small fish are great coinhabitants for a few middle column swimmers such as the regal angel and the MI. This way, yout tank looks full and everyone has their own place in the tank.

3. Clean, oygenated water with good flow. Make sure fish that swim throughout the water column have plenty of open space. Larger tanks allow the hobbyist to have open spaces in addition to caves and nice rock work.

4. I am a big fan of a nice quarentine tank for difficult species. This allows the fish to adapt to captivity without the stress and competition from other species. It also allows you to control disease well. Invest in a quality QT set up. This is where I teach the fish to eat like pigs. At the same time they heal and develop a healthy slime coat. Being healthy and eating well will greatly help them survive when they transition to the DT. The transition will likely be a piece of cake by this time. Introduce many different foods at this time. Start with staples you have confident they will eat. I like to start with very small pieces of bay scallops. I feed a few small pieces hourly and twice a day siphon uneaten pieces out of the QT with airline tubing. Slowly intorduce more and more types of food. It is best to feed a little bit of small pieces several times a day. Step back from the tank when you feed so they don't hide.

5. I used to treat all fish in the QT but I don't necessarily treat now adays. I go back and forh on this issue. If they have significant symptons or spots, then I treat. I FW dip when I buy the fish only to see if any flukes fall off. Many fish, when eating properly and not being pestered, will heal well. It is very difficult to keep a disease free reef tank. If I had a FOWLR tank, then I would fully treat all new comers so I had a disease free tank. Ideally, I keep a fish in the QT for 4-6 weeks. Sometimes, I feel I need to move them to the main tank quicker. For each of my MIs, I moved them to the DT after 9-10 days as my 30 gallon QT was too small for them. They became very skittish.

6. Feed a lot and a variety of foods. Don't pollute the tank. Have a healthy set of live rock. I like DSBs. My tank has a 75 gallon tank as a sump and the entire sump is filled with 5-6 inches of live sand and live rock. I have a skimmer rated for my size tank. I think I would prefer a 5 inch live sand bed in my DT as well, but it is a BB. Both DSB and BB have their pluses and minuses.

7. Definitely do not feel you will be the exception to the "rules" that experienced fish owners make when they give their recommendations. Your odds will greatly diminish if you fail to follow general well guided, time tested, standard of care advice.

Good luck!
 
And last, buy a healthy specimen. This is probably most important. The smaller fish almost always do better. See if it is eating or at least interested in food before buying. It should not be too thin to start. If the fish looks healthy, then it is usually better with you than sitting for a week or 2 with the LFS. Buy it right away unless the LFS is exceptional.
 
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