This Kills AEFW eggs!!!!

[uniquecorals]

We received a sample from RPS and will definitely give it a fair trial at Unique Corals. We handle more coral in a day than the typical home hobbyist sees in a year, so the likelihood of us having pest troubles is obviously magnitudes greater! If it works as advertised, this could be a great advantage for hobbyists and commercial operations like ours, as well!

We will give it a fair, honest test and report the results. We have every reason to believe that the product has been throughly tested prior to release, and we'd be thrilled if the product will do what the manufacturer says it will do. I have spoken with Matt Reed, the owner of Reef Pest Solutions, and find him to be a person of very high integrity and sophistication. He's not in the "snake oil" business, and from what he has told me of the product, it has apparently undergone some fairly rigorous scientific testing.

That being said, like ANY new product, we should certainly evaluate it based on our OWN experiences, not on my words, the guy down the street's words, or any assumptions, anecdotal evidence, etc. I think that all products should be evaluated and reported on by the people that have used the product, and not "reviewed" by people who have yet to try the product. It's not right to jump to a conclusion - good-or-bad- without having personal experience with the product.

I strongly urge fellow reefers to read my friend and fellow MACNA speaker Rich Ross' series on skeptical reef keeping, as it gives a great overview of attitudes and realities we should embrace as reefkeepers with regards to manufacturer's claims and our own communications/attitudes. I also wrote a piece a couple of years back on Reef Builders, called "The Danger of Regurgitation", which basically says to evaluate something for yourself before embracing or attacking something publicly, which might be worth a look.

A product like this could be a great benefit to the hobby and industry if it performs as promised; I for one, am willing to give it a fair evaluation before I jump to any conclusion, positive or negative. I believe that we can all benefit from this type of attitude.

Just my two cents.

Scott Fellman
Unique Corals

 

[REEF SMAC]

Sounds way too good to be true....:hmm2:

Hopefully this turns out to be the real deal.

 

[Bolo Tran]

We received a sample from RPS and will definitely give it a fair trial at Unique Corals. We handle more coral in a day than the typical home hobbyist sees in a year, so the likelihood of us having pest troubles is obviously magnitudes greater! If it works as advertised, this could be a great advantage for hobbyists and commercial operations like ours, as well!

We will give it a fair, honest test and report the results. We have every reason to believe that the product has been throughly tested prior to release, and we'd be thrilled if the product will do what the manufacturer says it will do. I have spoken with Matt Reed, the owner of Reef Pest Solutions, and find him to be a person of very high integrity and sophistication. He's not in the "snake oil" business, and from what he has told me of the product, it has apparently undergone some fairly rigorous scientific testing.

That being said, like ANY new product, we should certainly evaluate it based on our OWN experiences, not on my words, the guy down the street's words, or any assumptions, anecdotal evidence, etc. I think that all products should be evaluated and reported on by the people that have used the product, and not "reviewed" by people who have yet to try the product. It's not right to jump to a conclusion - good-or-bad- without having personal experience with the product.

I strongly urge fellow reefers to read my friend and fellow MACNA speaker Rich Ross' series on skeptical reef keeping, as it gives a great overview of attitudes and realities we should embrace as reefkeepers with regards to manufacturer's claims and our own communications/attitudes. I also wrote a piece a couple of years back on Reef Builders, called "The Danger of Regurgitation", which basically says to evaluate something for yourself before embracing or attacking something publicly, which might be worth a look.

A product like this could be a great benefit to the hobby and industry if it performs as promised; I for one, am willing to give it a fair evaluation before I jump to any conclusion, positive or negative. I believe that we can all benefit from this type of attitude.

Just my two cents.

Scott Fellman
Unique Corals

Very well said Scott. I was very optimistic for myself as well as for other fellow reefers out there to hear about a groundbreaking product like this as I've battled with these things not only in one but 2 tanks. I know I should quarantine. I think this really helps with newly acquired corals and if there are eggs on the frags then this will kill it so quarantine time would also be lessened or even obsolete. Logically speaking, if dipping kills both the aefw AND the eggs then what is the reason for quarantining? Am I on the right track with this?

As with any new product that hits the market there will always be skeptics and naysayers who will say negative things that could potentially hurt the developer without giving it a fair chance. These products are meant to help us and make our lives easier and the hobby more enjoyable. I for one am very optimistic as I don't think they would make such claims if it can't deliver. Hopefully I won't have to eat my words.

 

[Allmost]

Scott, please let us know how it went.

if you can take pics of the process, where the eggs fall off, we would all appreciate it.

 

[xxxduke62xxx]

I bet you never tried the flatworm stop by Zeovit

Yes i did use this product and it was supposed to rid AEFW as per the first label on original bottle stated. Then a couple weeks later they changed the label to help aid corals. It aided my acros but didnt kill them. Dipping and basting did that. So like i said i hope this isnt like Zeo Flatstop and in 4 months change the label because they made there fast buck.

 

[d0ughb0y]

the reason there are skeptics is because a desperate reefer will be willing to fork out money to try just about anything and some businesses take advantage of that. it may be, for all we know, the process suggested as part of using the product is what fixes the problem, and the product itself is just a placebo, just like most weight loss solutions.

 

[Allmost]

Yes i did use this product and it was supposed to rid AEFW as per the first label on original bottle stated. Then a couple weeks later they changed the label to help aid corals. It aided my acros but didnt kill them. Dipping and basting did that. So like i said i hope this isnt like Zeo Flatstop and in 4 months change the label because they made there fast buck.

probably just that ppl didnt read or research what it does. which I understand AEFW suck !

on the day that it was announced, I ordered it from Germany from Thomas. his first reply on 01-18-2012 was :

the product is not a medication. In my test we have no problem with any corals ore Fish but we have now the best corals we ever had. My Testing time now is more than 12 month to get the product ready and good for a shelf life of 12 month.
We have only a small Quantity now on stock of 150L, we wait the ingredients to work on a good stock, i think we can ship to every dealer in 3-4 weeks.

Here is some text from our page:

Product Description

Flatworm Stop

Right now we have an effective help against tissue eating flatworms on Acropora and for ailing SPS.

Flatworm Stop strengthens all kind of corals and reduces parasitical flatworms on Acropora corals at the same time. Very valuable ingredients are assimilated directly after dosage. In our tests also ailing small polyp stony corals recovered and rebuilt the basis as well as gained back the original coloration.

Dosage: 1 ml per 100 Liter tank water daily. Dose directly into the tank. For ailing corals dosage can be increased to double or triple,

About Overdosing: I dose the last 2 weeks in my Tank, Regina's Tank and in our large Reeftank daily 30ml once per day with very good results on corals.
In that time i dose the other products by half quantity than normal.

To the end a tip for all that have Flatworms. Please dose not brown organic Jod, take only a small quantity of Kaliumjodit to hold a good color on sps, it is the better way to get a free Flatworm Tank.

 

[jsousa]

We need more data and pictures of the results. Please post. I'd love to see those AEFW burn in front of my eyes and their little kids too.

 

[karsseboom]

Yes i did use this product and it was supposed to rid AEFW as per the first label on original bottle stated. Then a couple weeks later they changed the label to help aid corals. It aided my acros but didnt kill them. Dipping and basting did that. So like i said i hope this isnt like Zeo Flatstop and in 4 months change the label because they made there fast buck.

Even if they wrote what you said on the original label. Your still trying to compare a DIP to a in tank medication.

So if you were proper in your comparison, you would say. I hope this product works better then...coral rx, revive or bayor...etc.

 

[xxxduke62xxx]

Found this on another site dont know if i can mention its name. So as you can see it says rid not help aid. So again like i said hope its not like the zeo flatstop. The dip dont say anything mis-leading on there bottles so i didnt mention them. This is the original label.

 

[hypnoj]

following

 

[karsseboom]

Found this on another site dont know if i can mention its name. So as you can see it says rid not help aid. So again like i said hope its not like the zeo flatstop. The dip dont say anything mis-leading on there bottles so i didnt mention them. This is the original label.

Keyword: HELP rid flatworms not kill them. You are still missing the point. That is not a dip. You are comparing a dip to an aid to HELP rid flatworms.


This is a dip, you are not dumping the whole bottle in your tank. This is not a in tank treatment.

 

[xxxduke62xxx]

Keyword: HELP rid flatworms not kill them. You are still missing the point. That is not a dip. You are comparing a dip to an aid to HELP rid flatworms.


This is a dip, you are not dumping the whole bottle in your tank. This is not a in tank treatment.

Really?What does rid mean to you? If it doesnt kill the AEFW does it give them vacation tickets to the Bahamas? They also changed the label to strengthen coral because ZEO knew there product didnt do what it claimed on the first bottle. And karsseboom my point comparing it to ZEO is Im hoping they dont claim it does one thing to get everyone excited, spend there hard earned money then change the label in 4 months after its release NOT dip/in tank treatment comparison.

 

[Bolo Tran]

Um let's get back on topic here guys. We all know what flatworm stop does/doesn't do. My interest is in ThIS guy...


I want to see if it works as claimed

 

[cFloor]

We need more data and pictures of the results. Please post. I'd love to see those AEFW burn in front of my eyes and their little kids too.

"and their little kids too" haha this made me laugh

This product seems too good to be true, but I'll remain hopeful. Looking forward to seeing some pics of eggs falling off. Imagine if it actually does work, WOW

 

[blakers82]

It claims to DESTROY the eggs. Here is the write up...

"Reef Pest Solutions ALL OUT is your complete dip solution for eradicating unwanted pests such as Acropora Red Bugs, Red Planeria Flatworms, Acro Eating Flatworms, Montipora Eating Nudibranches, Zoanthid Eating Nudibranches, Zoanthid Eating Spiders, Asterina Starfish, Rapid Tissue Necrosis (RTN) and Slow Tissue Necrosis (STN), Bristle Worms, Algae, EGGS, Inverts.


Not only will RPS ALL OUT dip get rid of your unwanted pests, but it also contains a penetrating chemical that will destroy their eggs!!


​RPS ALL OUT is tough on parasites but safe on corals. With the use of Aloe Vera RPS ALL OUT will destroy any unwanted hitchhikers while providing a protective shield to the coral skin while it works.


​Unlike many of the competing products on the market. RPS ALL OUT does not contain iodine that can potentially stain your corals.


​Should not be used on fish, shrimp, crabs, snails, clams or other invertebrates


​Instructions:


First step is to move the effected corals to a quarantine tank; the quarantine tank should have good light and water flow. Setup your quarantine tank, then take your coral out of the main tank and dip it in RPS ALL OUT. (DO NOT ADD RPS ALL OUT TO YOUR QT TANK) While the coral is in ALL OUT take a pippette, and blast the coral with the dip. Make sure to get in between the polyps and the underside of the coral. Do this for approximately 10-15 minutes. After 10-15 minutes, remove coral and discard the coral dip. Do not reuse the coral dip as some parasites may release toxins. Thoroughly rinse coral with clean saltwater and return to quarantine tank. Make sure to run carbon in your QT tank to absorb any possible residue.


​DO NOT ADD RPS ALL OUT DIRECTLY INTO YOUR AQUARIUM


KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
FOR CORAL USE ONLY

MADE IN THE USA"

 

[MammothReefer]

--Flatworm stop did claim to rid of AEFW. They changed the packaging when people proved otherwise. Come on Almost you know better we all know you like zeovit but take the blinders off.

Back to the topic at hand.

I got some. It kills AEFW very quickly most were floating in seconds, after 15 mins I don't think any could have been living still. It's gentle on my corals I was able to dip hawkins, tenallas, and other smooth corals. While I didn't spot any eggs some of the pieces were heavily infected so I'm just going to have to wait to see if they get reinfected. I wish the bottle was a bit bigger as I have some larger colonies that needed to be dipped in a 2.5 gallon bucket so it took a lot of solution, but on the plus side there were frags of corals that broke off from the first batch that I dipped that sat in and survived the dip for over an hour.

Very happy with it. The biggest fear I had with revive and other methods was dipping delicate corals. I wouldn't hesitate dipping any acro with this (from my tests so far..well maybe belina but you can't even look at those wrong)

 

[karsseboom]

--Flatworm stop did claim to rid of AEFW. They changed the packaging when people proved otherwise. Come on Almost you know better we all know you like zeovit but take the blinders off.

Back to the topic at hand.

I got some. It kills AEFW very quickly most were floating in seconds, after 15 mins I don't think any could have been living still. It's gentle on my corals I was able to dip hawkins, tenallas, and other smooth corals. While I didn't spot any eggs some of the pieces were heavily infected so I'm just going to have to wait to see if they get reinfected. I wish the bottle was a bit bigger as I have some larger colonies that needed to be dipped in a 2.5 gallon bucket so it took a lot of solution, but on the plus side there were frags of corals that broke off from the first batch that I dipped that sat in and survived the dip for over an hour.



Very happy with it. The biggest fear I had with revive and other methods was dipping delicate corals. I wouldn't hesitate dipping any acro with this (from my tests so far..well maybe belina but you can't even look at those wrong)

They said HELP rid. I just orderd a bottle of the all out dip so I will see how it goes.

 

[MammothReefer]

They said HELP rid. I just orderd a bottle of the all out dip so I will see how it goes.

"Help" rid - come on semantics.. Find the original collateral then went with it. If any other company but zeovit made this claim every body would be on the same page. Zeo has some great products, I get it... ...It was an uphill battle for years and there were a lot of skeptics but learn to separate the blatant fanboyism from the facts. Not every product is going to be a home run and flatworm stop was a flop. The only thing it did was convince people to get on a regular basting routine.

As far as "all out". Depending on the size of your corals I'd suggest ordering more then one bottle. I don't know if "one dip" will kill the eggs (it's to soon tell), and the one down side to the product is the bottle small. I ending up needing to do my dips in 1.25 gallons of water in order to submerge some stags. Which used up a quarter of the bottle.

 

[Allmost]

for me, KZ's product helped strengthen corals, and as result, AEFW damage is not visible .. . I do not know if there are flatworms still or not ... so cant say they are fully gone. but I guess Im the fanboy lol just like any other reef/coral food, some have success using it, some reefs dont.

I still do not see how this all out product kills eggs though ... do ppl see eggs fall off ?