This Kills AEFW eggs!!!!

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for me, KZ's product helped strengthen corals, and as result, AEFW damage is not visible .. . I do not know if there are flatworms still or not ... so cant say they are fully gone. but I guess Im the fanboy lol just like any other reef/coral food, some have success using it, some reefs dont.

I still do not see how this all out product kills eggs though ... do ppl see eggs fall off ?

Don't know - it's really new. If I have a resurgence I'll try to inspect for eggs first, dip and then see what happens. The one piece I thought for sure I would find eggs on didn't have any that I could find.

As of right now my experience kills - AEFW (Y) Kills eggs (?)
 
do ppl see eggs fall off ?

Allmost, I know we've had our differences, but I'm not disagreeing with you here. IMHO, you've asked a good question in a different way.

I'm not sure eggs falling off is a valid test. What that would tell me is that the treatment did a good job removing the adherence of the eggs to the host. The egg could be perfectly viable still. Sure, removing eggs from the coral is better than leaving them on, much like adult aefw, but that doesn't prove the treatment kills eggs.

What would be proof of dead eggs? Eggs that go beyond their incubation period? No larvae ever emerging? Microscope shot of dead larvae in egg? Personally I'd like to see a decaying fetid putrid mass of rotting fungasized brown jellied never hatched aefw eggs. But that's just me. :D
 
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^^^ yes I agree completely, very nicely worded :)

I really want to see a treatment that kills the eggs, really do lol I have had enough of these worms ... and kind of disappointed that they didnt do exactly what you said ! lets see the dead larvae inside eggs under a microscope !

we both know if this product does what is sais, then the inventor will be a rich rich man within days ... and what makes me skeptical, is why there is no evidence on their site, just claims. but for now lets give them the benefit of doubt and hope that within coming days we would have updates here showing it does what it does.

as far as killing the flatworms themselves, coral RX does that too ... and I have never had Issues with it so they really need to show something to make us want to use it instead of coral RX.
 
Yes, something which kills aefw eggs as a dip would be a veritable "magic bullet" for the reefing community, and I would love to own the patent rights.

I also have had more than enough from these tenacious little, ah, dudes and hope that one day such a treatment will exist.

One could argue that even if the product only dissolves the glue that holds the eggs to the coral, so that the eggs fall off, versus are killed, that is of value. However, if even just a couple eggs stay stuck, infection is likely. So all the eggs would have to fall off before that would be a truly effective treatment.
 
have I missed an actual testimonial? any successes? seems to be a lot of circular discussion...I do not have aefw to test this on...
 
I had AEFW in our 180 gallon reef. We were seeing lots of damaged corals and had a couple perish entirely. I finally said enough is enough and broke down and started pulling all the colonies out and dipping them in RPS All Out. The worms dropped off as advertised and we have not had any sign off them since. This was approximately 6 weeks ago or so. I'm sorry but i did not take any pictures or video of the death nor did I have a microscope on hand to check the eggs. I have reinspected and not found any evidence of the worms. Just my .02
 
Well, I just tried RPS All out for a minor infestation of red bugs.

My advice, be careful, it's definitely quite toxic to amphipods! After a 15 min dip of about 20 small frags at the concentration specified in the directions, I rinsed the frags for several min. in fresh ASW, then put them back into the main tank. Within a few minutes, I noticed amphipods crawling on rocks in the open and swimming in the water (i.e., strange behaviors). I stated doing a 25% water change at that point. I then notice my small acro crab dead (he was on a larger coral that was not dipped). Then, it was clear my cleaner shrimp was near death, so I've pulled him out into some fresh ASW, but it's not clear if he is going to make it.

Unfortunately, I don't have any carbon on hand to run (but RPS does recommend running carbon on main tank after returning treated corals, which is something you definitely want to do).

There could have only been a trace amount of RPS All Out that got carried in the DT, but it is clear it that it is extremely toxic to members of Amphipoda.
 
Great that means it might be strong enough to kill the eggs. I would wipe out my entire system to save my Sps from Aefw.
 
yeah, i agree with that. More info. I do have a reasonably number of flat worms (not the AE type) on the glass in the refugium. They have changed their morphology (more circular than usual), and when I touch them, they just fall off the glass. Again, they must have only been exposed to extremely low concentrations of All Out.

Fortunately, fish seem to be doing fine.

While I'm not going to try it, it does make you wonder if you could use All Out at extremely low dose in the main tank...
 
Gee... I got to try this stuff. I been dipping in TLF revive and that works on them but not the eggs.
Bayer- does not work 4x recommend treatment I could see them crawling around. Not happy but alive.
ReVive-10-30 sec they detach and do that death dance....
 
I would think that a product released that claims to kill the eggs would have lots of evidence to back it up. Did they not use it themselves and observe eggs being killed. Over the course of there research could they have gotten a quick video of what they claim? Why leave it to hobbyists to determine if it's effective?

Pretty simple test.

1.obtain an affected colony. (could be gotten from any freshly imported acro shipment or unfortunate hobbyist .)
2. Place clearly visible eggs in dip and record what happens
3. Offer this video as proof and the product will need no further advertising budget.

If it were my product and it worked, that is all i would do.
 
Well, I just tried RPS All out for a minor infestation of red bugs.

My advice, be careful, it's definitely quite toxic to amphipods! After a 15 min dip of about 20 small frags at the concentration specified in the directions, I rinsed the frags for several min. in fresh ASW, then put them back into the main tank. Within a few minutes, I noticed amphipods crawling on rocks in the open and swimming in the water (i.e., strange behaviors). I stated doing a 25% water change at that point. I then notice my small acro crab dead (he was on a larger coral that was not dipped). Then, it was clear my cleaner shrimp was near death, so I've pulled him out into some fresh ASW, but it's not clear if he is going to make it.

Unfortunately, I don't have any carbon on hand to run (but RPS does recommend running carbon on main tank after returning treated corals, which is something you definitely want to do).

There could have only been a trace amount of RPS All Out that got carried in the DT, but it is clear it that it is extremely toxic to members of Amphipoda.

I just used this product this morning and dipped all of my acropora corals. I thought that I rinsed them pretty well before I put them back in the DT, but my coral banded shrimp and my peppermint shrimp both died pretty quickly. Some of my hermit crabs aren't looking so good either. I'm just hoping it doesn't adversely affect my large serpent star, as it will be a nightmare to try and pull its corpse out of the rock work.

I can say that this stuff kills flatworms. I have used Coral Rx and you can see the flat worms writhing as they fall off of the coral. The flatworms left in the bottom of the bucket I used with this stuff were completely lifeless. We'll see if it eradicated the eggs.

I plan to do one more dip in four days. Hopefully that will take care of the problem
 
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