Warner Marine Now Has A Pellet Product

... Does anybody who is having success with the pellets have a quick video they can toss up to give a general idea of the amount of turn over in your reactor...

I have 2 liters running on my system. They seem to be doing their job - NO3 is undetectable and PO4 jumps between 0.00 and 0.01ppm (Hanna) - and the pellets are starting to diminish in size. Here's a link to a video showing my reactor - video's at the bottom of the page: Video Link
 
Thanks guys! I have some good news. I throttled back the reactor a little, part of the problem was I'm using a BRS and I bolted it to the side of my stand, but this was causing it to lean a little, which was causing the flow to be uneven and hard to read. The back of the reactor was very turblent while the front looked like a good slow tumble.

The good news though. Did some tests tonight. Phosphates 0 on the hanna checker. Nitrates down to 2.5-1ppm (somewhere between the 2 on the salifert kit)...and I even kinda went a nutty feeding the acans a few days ago.. Unfortunetly there is still algae present in the system hopefully it will start to die off now that n/p is reduced.
 
The algae should diminish with the lower Nand P . It may take a while for any P built up in /on the rock to leach out though.
 
Some types of cyanobacteria can thrive anywhere there is light, moisture and CO2,even polar bear coats.
Cyanobacteria and diazotrophs like them are often credited with enabling life on the planet. Primordial slime ; they not only oxygenate via photosynthesis but they also uniquely fix nitrogen ,created in the stars, from the athmosphere and bring it into the food chain where it is used for creating proteins and things like dna.It helps to think of the nitrogen( nitrification/ denitrification cycle ) as a circle rather than a line ending with N2 ,nitrogen gas since the gas is drawn back in eventually via the action of the diazoroph's nitrogenase enzyme.
Cyanobacteria form heterocysts in their biomass. These are anoxic chambers where an enzyme uniquely produced by these bacteria called nitrogenase which does not work in the presence of oxygen , fixes the nitrogen to hydrogen bringing into the food chain. It does this by breaking the strong bond between the 2 nitrogen atoms that form N2, nitrogen gas and making N available which links up with H forming things like ammonia NH3/4 thus making essential nitrogen bio available.
So cyano not only consumes nitrogen and phosphate when it's available ; it can produce fixed nitrogen and add it to the system when its not readily available.
Having said that I suspect the cyano sometimes reported with carbon dosing has less to do with nitrogen deficiencies than it does with the by products of activity by other bacteria which may be feeding it or by less phytoplankton and other competitors for nutrients hanging around or upwelling on rock surfaces or substrates. .


Thanks, great info
 
I have been looking through this thread this week and am curious if anyone runs the pellets on a FOWLR system?

I realize that N and P reduction are not as important as with a reef tank but if it cuts down on issues I am curious to try it.

Thanks.
 
I have been looking through this thread this week and am curious if anyone runs the pellets on a FOWLR system?

I realize that N and P reduction are not as important as with a reef tank but if it cuts down on issues I am curious to try it.

Thanks.

I do. I've been rehabbing a purple tang w/ hle that I received from a fellow reefer a few months back, so I've been making a concerted effort to really dial the water quality in, to facilitate healing of the blemishes.

DJ
 
I do. I've been rehabbing a purple tang w/ hle that I received from a fellow reefer a few months back, so I've been making a concerted effort to really dial the water quality in, to facilitate healing of the blemishes.

DJ

DJ,

Thanks for the input. As I said I am more curious than anything as well as going the low maintenance route.

I've used cheato for a while and have dosed VSV too. They did what I wanted for the most part but with the smaller system I am setting up I figured a small container would be better than using the whole sump for export.

I noticed people also use coarse sand. Is it more for substrate for the bacteria or to deal with the tumbling? Both?

Anyone have the pellets in one chamber and have the overflow going into a second with rubble etc?
 
DJ,

Thanks for the input. As I said I am more curious than anything as well as going the low maintenance route.

I've used cheato for a while and have dosed VSV too. They did what I wanted for the most part but with the smaller system I am setting up I figured a small container would be better than using the whole sump for export.

I noticed people also use coarse sand. Is it more for substrate for the bacteria or to deal with the tumbling? Both?

Anyone have the pellets in one chamber and have the overflow going into a second with rubble etc?

I think you are on right track, the more tumbing (breaking up solids) and contact with bacteria the better. You can even plan on media bag spot between 1 & 2 for when you clean sand/rock in DT.
 
Cyno

Cyno

Having said that I suspect the cyano sometimes reported with carbon dosing has less to do with nitrogen deficiencies than it does with the byproducts of activity by other bacteria which may be feeding it or by less phytoplankton and other competitors for nutrients hanging around or upwelling on rock surfaces or substrates.

My no so scientific methods and mind think your competition theory is correct. I have been slightly above or below the level of nutrients to see this in action many times. <O:p></O:p>
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BTW - with pellets and removal of 50% of base rock my tanks are now 0 PO4 and ~3 NO3 and thriving! This is feeding 8 large fish and non-photos..SPS are growing like weeks, worms, sponges, pods are thriving. Finally after two years of attempting to salvage this system without total new build, success!!<O:p></O:p>
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I also am dosing MB7, ZEObac and run ZEOrocks, I am keeping ZEO reactor online for the food it provides corals as bi-product of filtering. (Bacteria) Sun corals seem to love it.

tmz - great post

glassreef - Did the pellets fix the dino problem? I noticed real improvement cyno about 2 months into running pellets.

Tony
 
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I would recommend it for organic carbon export which may build up over time with dosing.
 
i did some testing today and in 2 weeks my phosphate went from 0.012 to 0.025,yesterday i added some brightwells bacteria,had dinner and 5 hrs later i noticed my e pelets have clumped togethor has anyone dosed bacteria and had this issue.
why i dosed bacteria is because i have cyno on my sandbed,i also have undetected nitrates .

i wish warner would comeout with a bacteria to use with these pellets.
i also figure i need to add more pellets,theyve been in operation since august 19.


vic
 
What's the consensus on how much the pellets should be tumbling? I know it's recommended to have roughly 100gph but what's the downside to more flow and a more aggressive tumble?
 
From what i've read it may wash away the Bacteria if the flow is too high and into your system where it will not be removed by your Skimmer. If that makes sense to you as the reaction is supposed to be inside the reactor not through out the tank.?
Bill
 
I think that GAC is useful for some types of filtration, but I don't know of any data that suggests it interacts much with bio-pellets.
 
thanks bertoni, yeah, i will try to run GAC with bio pellets. my order will come this week sometime (hopefully, alaska standard is usually lack 2 to 4 days).
 
From what i've read it may wash away the Bacteria if the flow is too high and into your system where it will not be removed by your Skimmer. If that makes sense to you as the reaction is supposed to be inside the reactor not through out the tank.?
Bill


Yes it does Bill and that's what I've heard as well. Just wondered what the implications where about the bacteria that make it back into the aquarium. What's the potential issue with that?
 
Yes it does Bill and that's what I've heard as well. Just wondered what the implications where about the bacteria that make it back into the aquarium. What's the potential issue with that?

A. Bacteria become food for other organisms

B. Bacteria die and are consumed by other bacteria (decomposers).

DJ
 
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