Y does this forum exist?

[Blinkgyrl2987]

Oh no problem, apology accepted! I am very forgiving so no worries. Im glad Wolverine gave me free range to post a new forum within Responsible reefkeeping with these thoughts. I really want to know what others think. However I am spent today, too much time spent on the computer. I must save this topic for another day. Congrats on possibly getting into the hobby soon! My best advice is to be skeptical about everything and don't believe everything you hear. I always research for a long time before deciding how I want to reef. There's a lot of truth out there... you just have to find it!

 

[Robka]

Just so we're on the same page, the response to your other thread was fairly uniform in that it had nothing to do with reefkeeping, so you start another one and say that anyone who doesn't agree with you either hates the planet or works for a chemical company, and you still need a map drawn as to who the problem user in the scenario is?

Once again, you take a statement and then interpret it as an attack. I simply asked why the reduction of chemicals wouldn't be championed by all? Instead of giving a possible answer to my question you attack me personally as if I'm trying to sell you something. Well I hope you and your family & friends never have to deal with cancer like I have (if you do know someone fighting this disease I wish them the best of luck). It changed my outlook on life in a very positive way and I will always fight against the use of carcinogens in our environment to protect, humans, fish, reefs, etc. So go ahead and use words like "dictating, extremists, environmentalist" and call me names like "annoying & pointless" if it makes you feel better. But I am just an ordinary person without any political agenda that has tried to educate myself about ways to reduce my use of plastic & other chemicals in my life and then share those ideas with others. If you are so against people "dictating how others should live" then why are you posting on a blog that essentially is giving people ideas on how to change the way they live or at least how their reef inhabitants live?:fish1:

 

[skanderson]

this thread is exactly why i occasionally read this forum. i find it to be amusing reading. sorry if i answered your question with an honest opinion and not some nutty rant isnt what you were looking for.

 

[Robka]

this thread is exactly why i occasionally read this forum. i find it to be amusing reading. sorry if i answered your question with an honest opinion and not some nutty rant isnt what you were looking for.

Yes, "nutty rants.." can be humorous:wildone:, but answering questions tends to help the flow of information in a "giving & seeking" blog format

 

[GreshamH]

Hawaii is a huge exporter of yellow tangs.

remove the word huge and replace with only

 

[LifeAquatic]

Did I just come in here and get trolled?! Tuche` sir!

LOL! :lolspin:

 

[chrisv]

Reefcentral is a funny place. My opinion is that it is WAY over mod'ed. I think it detracts from the discourse in a major way. As soon as someone suggests that, they are told that if they don't like the rules they should go away. I think that is totally the wrong response. The power of the internet as a resource is the ability to unite minds that are alike and expose minds that are not alike to different ways of thinking. We may not like what we hear, but i don't think we're any worse off for hearing it. I don't mean to stand up on my "internet free speech" milk crate and complain, but i really do think that these situations could be handled much better, even by just allowing them to play themselves out without supervision. Isn't the real power of internet forums that it is a true meritocracy? I see no risk that stupid people will be taken seriously when they should not be. When a person proves that they are not worth being taken seriously, we no longer take them seriously. I just don't see a need for such intervention...

(now should be about the time that the thread gets closed and 15 people tell me to get lost)

 

[Atom0023]

Well, it looks like this thread naturally died out against everyone's suspicions.

 

[Jaymeany]

Why not make an area that allows people to say anything not vulgar. Just let people go but put a warning that tells people "enter if you dare". Then the rest of the board can be super mod'd ( I am referencing previous posts. please oh please don't warn me , suspend me, ban me or delete this thread.)

 

[Dino]

Why not make an area that allows people to say anything not vulgar. Just let people go but put a warning that tells people "enter if you dare". Then the rest of the board can be super mod'd ( I am referencing previous posts. please oh please don't warn me , suspend me, ban me or delete this thread.)

Just such a thing was attempted after our no "religion and politics" rule was implemented nearing almost a decade ago. I've been here long enough to remember bits and pieces of that forum (it was fairly short lived IIRC), and can honestly say from my own personal opinion that RC is the better without it.

 

[Dino]

I am just trying to get up to 50 posts and I am going backwards.

That, there may be your clue.

 

[Ritten]

That, there may be your clue.

:lol:

 

[lordofthereef]

Reefcentral is a funny place. My opinion is that it is WAY over mod'ed.

I thought that until I found another forum (I won't name it, but it has to do with another hobby of mine - android phones). RC is nothing compared to what I feel goes on there.

 

[Anemone]

Reefcentral is a funny place. My opinion is that it is WAY over mod'ed.

Your opinion is noted. However, our experience is that the vast majority of users who have made this the largest saltwater hobbyists' BB site don't agree with you. What we've seen happen, again and again, is a few people get warned about our rules, get kicked off (either for failure to abide by the warning or wanting to tell us their uncensored opinion of our rules), and start (or join) another saltwater site that's NOTHING like ReefCentral. Either the site attracts all of 20 regular members who can tolerate the "freedom" of the site, or the site grows larger, and strangely enough, begins to implement some of the exact same rules we have at ReefCentral regarding conduct and commercial participation. It's funny to watch the more successful sites' user agreements/terms of service agreements go from "say whatever you want, but try to be nice" to one-by-one adopting all of the same rules we have here at ReefCentral.

As for telling people to go elsewhere, the truth is, we simply don't have the time or energy to argue with you about our rules. They are our rules; you can either follow them or not. If not, you will be removed from the community. But that's the great thing about the internet, you can always find someplace more to your liking. Why should we be unhappy and make you unhappy arguing about our rules? Go find something that you like better.

And, as Dino said, we used to have a "free-for-all" forum, with the appropriate warnings upon entry. The problem was, unlike Vegas, what happened there didn't stay there. In other words, the presence of that forum negatively affected the interactions of people in the regular discussion areas. In short, it wasn't worth the trouble.

Kevin

 

[returnofsid]

That's probably for the best, since the idea of "Free Speech," as written into our Constitution, has absolutely no bearing, on a privately owned entity, such as Reef Central.

 

[organism]

i really do think that these situations could be handled much better, even by just allowing them to play themselves out without supervision.

You'll beg for rc once you spend any time on forums that allow things to play themselves out without supervision, it's less the utopia you have in mind and more like Lord of the Flies squared.

 

[billsreef]

You'll beg for rc once you spend any time on forums that allow things to play themselves out without supervision, it's less the utopia you have in mind and more like Lord of the Flies squared.

Yup. There are forums out there that started as no rules anti RC forums, because they didn't like the rules here. All the ones that started that way, and still exist and have grown, adopted the very same rules we have

 

[lordofthereef]

There certainly are some things I will never understand. I was given an infraction for having a link (to another RC thread I started) in my signature. I understand why they don't want "free" advertising, but my thread was purely a means of sharing knowledge.

At the end of that day, the best rule of thumb is to read the rules. If you don't agree, simply don't post.

 

[vitz]

Thanks for the support. I love this hobby and will never support any full ban on stopping imports. However I really think there is a lot we could do to improve this hobby, starting at the wholesale level and with LFS systems. How the fish are kept, and quarantining without the use of chemicals would save a lot of lives. Implementing chemical free curing would cut back on fish loss drastically at the wholesale level. These are the ideas I boast proudly because the forseeable difference it could make on the supply and demand of what we'd even have to get from the ocean would probably decrease. The more life we keep alive, the less we have to take.

Ahh but I will leave this thread be now. Hopefully someone else will pick up on this and start a thread somewhere else? Please? Or show me the appropriate place to discuss improvements for the industry as a whole?

I'm curious to know how familiar or experienced you are with the 'wholesale level' of the marine ornamental industry, i.e. the state the imports arrive in, what practices/treatments are actually used,and what mortality rates post import,pre retail would be with proper med protocols vs. without. Your post seems to indicate a familiarity with such.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I also think that statements such as

"Currently this hobby revolves around the use of chemicals. Thats the way its been done for 40 some plus years. Personally I think the hobby could be way more successful without them. "

and

"When I said "cutting edge" I meant that in the near future chemicals may not even be sought out by hobbyist because they will be educated in new ways of handling disease within this hobby. "

indicates that while you may be only referring to medications, you are blasting the wider array of chemicals that are needed by reef keepers (yes, needed, like calcium and a carbonate source). It might be simpler to focus on medications and not blast chemicals overall unless you mean that, otherwise, you may attract more opponents than you really want.