2 Part VS Calcium Reactor for SPS tank

JasonKlink

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I have a 300 gal SPS tank. I'm currently using Reef Fusion 1 & 2 for Cal and Alk and Ion's for Mag. I'm dosing every hour via a Bubble Magnus Doser. I like this setup, but the costs of supplements are getting rather expensive. I have found a complete Calcium Reactor Setup near me reasonably priced. I wanted to see other's input on which is better...
 
for a system your size it would be more cost effective to have a calcium reactor. Initially the start up is more expensive but over the cost of running the tank it will recoup. Either method is an effective way to deliver calcium to a system.
 
The reactor works 24/7 once you have it set up properly. It can go a couple months with no attention at all. I have done both and I find the reactor a far better choice.
 
CaRx if you do it right. Get a continuous dosing pump like a masterflex for controlling the effluent and get the aquarium plant C02 regulator. It's a headache with effluent rate and C02 rate if you don't spend some dough on these two pieces of equipment.

Dosing on a 300gallon with full blown sps is not going to be fun. Even if you have a very reliable and accurate doser, you'll have to deal with salinity creep with the 2 parts. Not a big deal if you're doing waterchange often with lower salinity though.
 
I ran a reactor, and dosing on my 500g setup. I prefer the dosing. Less things to fail, less electricity, and you always have a manual option when needed. Adjusting is VERY easy and once it's setup you change it rarely/often as any other setup depending on your tank. My current system I believe went 8 months without any adjusting needed. (on dosers), when thank needed more I simply raised the dosing amount a couple of ml a day and it's back to humming along. I prefer simplicity.

Salinity creep isn't an issue if you water change. Which is a part of my husbandry routine.
 
Both will work well, but if you go with two part I would switch to a more cost effective two part recipe rather than the premixed stuff. Like others mentioned, when demand is high you will experience a slight salinity creep with 2 part. I like calcium reactors for the low maintenance, but am currently using two part on my smaller 65g tank. Get good pumps/dosers for 2 part if you go that route. My pumps are 30 or so year old peristaltic pumps for low pressure column chromatography that can be adjusted from anywhere 0.6-500mL an hour. They are the most reliable pumps I have ever used as attested by there age. Also its nice to be able to adjust the amount by adjusting the flow rate and the amount of time on to really fine tune dosing. This is what I use:
http://www.sci-bay.com/catalog.asp?prodid=645554&showprevnext=1
As previously mentioned though...I love calcium reactors but on my current setup space is limited.
 
I have both on my 260 sps tank. The reactor is set low to offset the 2 part doser a little. It seems to keep the PH a little higher in the tank compared to running the reactor for the full load and I also still have the pinpoint accuracy of the doser.
 
I ran a reactor, and dosing on my 500g setup. I prefer the dosing. Less things to fail, less electricity, and you always have a manual option when needed. Adjusting is VERY easy and once it's setup you change it rarely/often as any other setup depending on your tank. My current system I believe went 8 months without any adjusting needed. (on dosers), when thank needed more I simply raised the dosing amount a couple of ml a day and it's back to humming along. I prefer simplicity.

Salinity creep isn't an issue if you water change. Which is a part of my husbandry routine.

How much are you dosing a day and how often for that beast! Wowzers

Also for whoever, do you get any other benfits from a reactor other than just cal?

Alk added to or trace elements or anything else? What do you do to keep things in check, how do you adjust and rebalance if things get out of whack? I ran dosers for a while and new to reactors but am contemplating....
 
How much are you dosing a day and how often for that beast! Wowzers

Also for whoever, do you get any other benfits from a reactor other than just cal?

Alk added to or trace elements or anything else? What do you do to keep things in check, how do you adjust and rebalance if things get out of whack? I ran dosers for a while and new to reactors but am contemplating....

A reactor adds alk, calcium and many other trace elements. Remember, the material in the reactor that is being dissolved, in many cases, once was coral.
To keep them in check you need a good pH meter and an alk test kit.
 
does the reactor in general keep the ALK & CAL level with each other? meaning can it maybe keep CAL steady while one sees ALK fall off still? or vice versa...

If they start to fall do you bring them up with liquid cal & alk?
 
does the reactor in general keep the ALK & CAL level with each other? meaning can it maybe keep CAL steady while one sees ALK fall off still? or vice versa...

If they start to fall do you bring them up with liquid cal & alk?

They generally follow each other. I still add a spoon full of turbo calcium daily as well a 1/2 spoon full of buffer every day or so. My reactor is running wide open now so Its easier to add a little chemical each day then to buy a larger reactor.
 
If you are trying to save money in the long run a reactor is the way to go. If you dose 2 part in a 300g SPS tank you will be buying a lot of 2 part and that will get expensive each month. I think BRS sells 2 part in 5g buckets
 
How much are you dosing a day and how often for that beast! Wowzers

Also for whoever, do you get any other benfits from a reactor other than just cal?

Alk added to or trace elements or anything else? What do you do to keep things in check, how do you adjust and rebalance if things get out of whack? I ran dosers for a while and new to reactors but am contemplating....

I have a log some where of how much I was dosing, but I'm pretty sure I'm dosing more now in my 65 gallon then I was in that bigger system. I believe I'm just about 150ml a day of alk/calc and 30ml or os mag (i'd have to check my log).

I base all my dosing off desired alk stability. I do regular water changes so I'm not worried about trace elements, or salt creep. I do them regardless of how I supplement. Typically when I've had to re-balance it's been do to a water change with less then stellar stats (say I didn't buff it correctly).

So when that happens either my Calc or Mag is to low, or my Alk is to high.
If my calc or mag or low. I added it manually. If my alk is high turn off the dosers and let it drop naturally.

The few times my alk is to low usually means my corals are growing and i'm not keeping up with demand. I then up the dosage in until it starts to rise then back it off to level it.
 
If you are trying to save money in the long run a reactor is the way to go. If you dose 2 part in a 300g SPS tank you will be buying a lot of 2 part and that will get expensive each month. I think BRS sells 2 part in 5g buckets

I don't know about that. The electric cost of a reactor is rather high unless you are running it down draft (and depending where you live). In Cali our bills our tiered so the more you use the higher your rate goes up.

You can also get 2 part even cheaper then BRS if you go to pool supply stores. There are some threads floating around about which brands are safe.
 
for a system your size it would be more cost effective to have a calcium reactor. Initially the start up is more expensive but over the cost of running the tank it will recoup. Either method is an effective way to deliver calcium to a system.

The reactor works 24/7 once you have it set up properly. It can go a couple months with no attention at all. I have done both and I find the reactor a far better choice.

Absolutely +1



CaRx if you do it right. Get a continuous dosing pump like a masterflex for controlling the effluent and get the aquarium plant C02 regulator. It's a headache with effluent rate and C02 rate if you don't spend some dough on these two pieces of equipment.

The Aquarium Plants CO2 doser is really nice. Love it.
I have never really had an issue controlling my effluent with a Mag drive for many years.

Masterflex continuous dosing pump does sound nice though.

I ran a reactor, and dosing on my 500g setup. I prefer the dosing. Less things to fail,

If you were running both at the same time then yes I can see where you had plenty of things to fail.

There are plenty of things that can fail with either method. Plenty of my fellow reefers have FAILED with their dosers. (Usually due to user error I'll admit.)

I've had to replace the impeller in the Ehiem 1048 that circulates my CA RX once after 7 years.

I wish half the equipment on my Reef Tank was that reliable.


less electricity,

Save on electricity to spend a lot more on two part?

Is this to somehow say that your SPS tank is more "Green"?

and you always have a manual option when needed.

How would you not have the option to manually dose your tank when needed, whether or not you decide to run a CA RX?

Adjusting is VERY easy and once it's setup you change it rarely/often as any other setup depending on your tank. My current system I believe went 8 months without any adjusting needed. (on dosers),

Same here with a CA RX.

when thank needed more I simply raised the dosing amount a couple of ml a day and it's back to humming along.

And with a CA RX you simply raise the bubble rate a couple and it's back to humming along.

I prefer simplicity.

I do as well. That is why I prefer a CA RX.





I agree adjusting a doser is a breeze!

Adjusting a CA RX is not exacly rocket science. :rolleyes:



My pumps are 30 or so year old peristaltic pumps for low pressure column chromatography that can be adjusted from anywhere 0.6-500mL an hour. They are the most reliable pumps I have ever used as attested by there age.

Those are definitely the ones to have if you are going to go that route IMO.
They are not cheap but they are reliable.

..I love calcium reactors but on my current setup space is limited.

By the time you add up the space taken up by those fancy dosing pumps plus the reservoirs of CA and Alk does it really save that much room?



I have both on my 260 sps tank. The reactor is set low to offset the 2 part doser a little. It seems to keep the PH a little higher in the tank compared to running the reactor for the full load and I also still have the pinpoint accuracy of the doser.

This is a great way to go if your CA RX is too small to fully supply your system demands. That way you don't run your CO2 amount so high that your PH level is suppressed in your tank.



I don't know about that. The electric cost of a reactor is rather high unless you are running it down draft (and depending where you live). In Cali our bills our tiered so the more you use the higher your rate goes up.

So to save $20 - $25 a year in electricity costs, I should spend $200 more on two part mix? :confused:

Sorry but that math doesn't work for me.

Maybe for a nano tank but the OP was asking about a 300g SPS.

How exactly would my electricity costs change depending whether my CA RX is up-draft or down-draft ?



You can also get 2 part even cheaper then BRS if you go to pool supply stores. There are some threads floating around about which brands are safe.

Sure you could probably buy it by the pallet somewhere cheap. It would have to be A LOT cheeper than BRS to make it worth your while.

:)
 
REEF SMAC (or any one else with CA-RX experience)
....Id love your input here and ties in perfectly to the OP. I have been wondering if I should go CA-RX, but I love the simplicity of dosing and not sure if I will see a benefit tank wise or cost wise. What all equipment would you suggest for this?

I have 250g DT & 100g frag/grow out tied together. Between that and sump im looking say 325 net gallons SPS dominate. I am currently dosing 310ml/day

I get ~ 7gal solution /1g powder ALK...35g/5g OR 132,425ml solution/5g powder $68/5g bucket
I get ~ 8gal solution /1g powder CAl.....40g/5g OR 151,400ml solution/5g powder $68/5g bucket

at 310 ml per day I have 427 days of ALK & 473 days of ALK
So basically total cost for 1.2yrs is $136. or ~ $110/yr of solution

Not sure if one needs to consider MG cost or if that is a wash since both methods need to add MG? If not then lets add like $70 for MG yrly cost

And if we want to throw out electrcity cosy, my doser uses 3 w, which equates to less than $2 for the yr in electricity.


How would the cost of a reactor be compared to this?
 
hi all, first post in this beautiful forum, wanted to bring a plus to CaRx, besides what commented before, the dosage is constant with no daily peaks, no possibility of ionic imbalance as using homemade additives and also the CaRx provides trace elements from coral skeletons, which the two parts does not.
 
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