AEFW - zeo treatment worth it?

[Atomikk]

He is a Zeo Head in training. It does not count :spin3:

FWIW its better then losing all your across. Everything I have read so far shows it at least gets them under control.
I would rather have a few spots then to watch a colony get destroyed.

I have been using it for over 3 months. 99% sps tank over 50 frags. I am able to sleep at night. A friend from the local club was infested and he started about a month ago and his corals are healing up.
It may not be a cure but it keeps them under control or maybe even rids them after a while.

See, for me, it is not economical to keep putting the band-aid on that bleeding wound. I have a 320 gallon tank and will not put my 99% healed acros back (from the QT that they are currently in) unless they are at a 100% level. I rather have them all die and have me start over, than have to spend crazy money to keep trying in keeping them alive. Its great for KZ but not for me.

This is why I am hoping that those which are affected show signs of recovery and signs of them being pest free. I guess only dipping them afterward would ensure that they are pest free.

 

[reefkeeper2]

I keep my acros pest free with the basting method. I have never lost one, or have even come close to losing an acro because of them. It's just a chore I would rather not have to do. I would also like to sell some frags. I won't as long as they are present in my system. My display is 427gal and I'm not going to spend all that money on a product that just controls them. I can do that myself. So, until the debate is over, or something better comes out I guess I just have to wait...and keep basting.

 

[MammothReefer]

Ran the full course did all the recommended additions. Still have AEFW. Drew the line when Phols only suggestion was "keep buying more". I responded with the first bottle was on me, second was on him..he didn't respond. To me that's a sign of somebody who doesn't stand by their product. If I shelled out money did exactly as instructed and it didn't work there is no way I'm going to keep purchasing more of the same product.

In my humble opinion.

 

[Soy]

I used 3 bottles and it didnt work. seemed like it kept the damage at bay for a while but when I laxed on the dipping they came back with a vengeance. I also got a thin brown film growing on the walls frequently which makes me assume there is some nutrient source in fws. I quit using the bottle and dip every coral simultaneously. last dip showed no signs of them but I'm planning on dipping them a few more times to be sure.

 

[Allmost]

Ran the full course did all the recommended additions. Still have AEFW. Drew the line when Phols only suggestion was "keep buying more". I responded with the first bottle was on me, second was on him..he didn't respond. To me that's a sign of somebody who doesn't stand by their product. If I shelled out money did exactly as instructed and it didn't work there is no way I'm going to keep purchasing more of the same product.

In my humble opinion.

have you seen any reduction, in terms of damage they did to your acros while using it ?



Soy ... it has nutrition, its coral food. it was never said to be anything else.

 

[Ostentum]

I dont understand either why people are spending so much money on something that has no proven track record and doesnt even claim to eradicate them. I hope that some good results come in time, until that time, i will use if I ever get AEFW again the levisole chloride treatment that I have used in the past. That treatment works and if done right no side effects to coral or fish.

 

[acesq]

All we have is anecdotal evidence, and that is likely all we will ever have. I can add my anecdote: I have been using the product on my tank for three months or so. I had a small population of flatworms (5-15 total would fly off when basting the corals) when I started, now I see no evidence of flatworms. What caused this, I can't say. I'd like to think it was money well spent, but I can't be sure. (I will continue to use it though)

 

[MammothReefer]

have you seen any reduction, in terms of damage they did to your acros while using it ?

No difference. Only regular blasting my corals with a mj1200 / basting, and a revive dip here and there when I see any population boom results in a reduction of damage. Both before, during and after the pattern is the same they go after the same corals.. So it's pretty routine to keep it in check at this point. Would love to be rid of them, but I guess until I'm ready to tear down I'll keep on as I am.. Over all the tank is still growing so it's no the end of the world just extra work.

 

[fcmatt]

Well here we are months later.

The product Flatworm Stop has changed it's label on the bottle.
From "rid" to "reduce" and highlights improved coloration and health.
Quite the difference from the first label which made a bolder claim and no
mention of health/coloration.

"Soy ... it has nutrition, its coral food. it was never said to be anything else."

So.. 45 bucks for that eh?

And still we see people who claim it works basting, blasting, adding fish, dipping, scraping, etc... and then turn around and say the product worked!!!

And still we have people claiming it does not work. Trying just the product or everything
listed above too.

So in the end the community is right back where it started except the people who
purchased flatworm stop are a bit poorer due to buying coral food.

Hopefully people realize this is no longer considered a magic bullet and if you want to
no longer have AEFW you cannot expect this to work.

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On a different note I have absolutely no idea how people manage to dip corals that are well established in
a tank. One would have to destroy their tank to accomplish this so they must have a tank full of plugs with
little to no encrustation on the rocks.

 

[Allmost]

HII fcmat :wavehand:

Well here we are months later.

The product Flatworm Stop has changed it's label on the bottle.
From "rid" to "reduce" and highlights improved coloration and health.
Quite the difference from the first label which made a bolder claim and no
mention of health/coloration.

you knew it since 07/12/2012 07:01 PM

The catch is they have clearly stated this product does not kill AEFW.
It "strengthens corals" in some fashion

07/12/2012 06:56 PM

I have not used the product. I do not have AEFW.

just wanted to get the history of your obsession on this product up to date first.

now .... has Zeovit, carbon dosing, bio pellets and so on worked fro 100% of users ? it has NOT.
can we conclude that carbon dosing does not work since not 100% of users got good results ? NO ! it is scientifically known to help with reducing nutritions.

so if we sit down and think about it, user error plays an important part ! the product, has worked for me, and at this point, I no longer see AEFW damage, they may or may not be there, I dont care. cause they are not harming me and my corals anymore does this mean that it should work for 100 % of ppl ? I think not as we all know there are many other factors that are important in keeping a SPS reef healthy

 

[sahin]

I wish one of the main chemical related manufacturers in the aquarium industry would put some serious research into a cure for AEFW's.

I am sure lots of SPS keepers would pay good money for a bottle of potion that worked for sure. I would pay £50-70 ($75 to $105 US) easily to cure my tank full my AEFW's.

 

[Allmost]

you mean like interceptor ? in tank treatment ?

that would be great, but I doubt would happen, we keep way too many organisms in the same level in our reef tank to be able to target AEFW ....

but the fact that this pest mutates in our tanks shows that we are doing something wrong oceans carry it but never experience this much distruction it can cause in a reef tank !
perhaps we starve our corals too much.

 

[fcmatt]

allmost.. i cannot debate this with you. i just think it is pointless to go back and forth with
you. have a nice day.

 

[Allmost]

I agree, you should not be debating about something you have never tried nor have a use for, specially since you do not have AEFW

most of us on this thread, hope we were in your shoes, and didnt have AEFW to deal with

I wish you dont ever end up with them, but if you do, and decide to try Flatworm stop, please do come back and let us know your results, I personally would be more than greatfull for your hands on review.

 

[Jay4Robin]

I have been using it for many months now.
Did not think I had the pests since the crash .
I did have a few frags lose tissue on bases but they are now healthy and healed
I did not notice any AEFW
I would think after over 50 frags I would have had the buggers by now .
My tank is doing amazing!
I won't stop using the product. I do think the corals thrive from it .

 

[SpinyReef]

oceans carry it but never experience this much distruction it can cause in a reef tank !
perhaps we starve our corals too much.

I would guess that it has to do with predation. In the wild, there's always something that will eat something else. So The AEFW reproduce, but are kept in check by predators that are absent in our tanks.

 

[bigbuckdown]

Dont do anything

Dont do anything

First picture is the original label
2nd pic is new lable
3rd pic is what i found after 2 1/2 bottles of flatworm stop. I had this arguement with that guy on zeovit and he is as stubborn as they come. I first thought the product didnt work because i was still getting AEFW after i believe it was 2 months so i made this rant on how annoyed i was. Couple months later my corals started to improve so i thought it was working and i was excited so i went back and apologized for my rant. So i decided after 6 or 7 months to dip some corals and i found alot od AEFW even though my corals showed no sign so i took many acros out and each one had worms and again they didnt show signs but they were still there and when i looked closely i saw bite marks but the bite marks disappear after a few days which yeah it works for healing corals but not stopping or ridding them. The new label also states for permnant use which if you stop using it your corals will be attacked probably 2 times worse. I explain to that guy on zeo about the label and how it dont work but he doesnt answer anything he just keeps insulting so people can read that post and say YEAH THAT GUYS RIGHT BECAUSE HE CALLED THIS GUY A BAD REEF KEEPER SO IM GOING TO LISTEN TO HIM. If you are looking to rid your tank this product wont do that. It has the name to mis inform you so you will buy it but its just a coral immune booster and that is all. Believe me if any of you guys who say you no longer have AEFW take your corals out and dip they will still be there. So when you are selling your frags make sure you tell the person buying your corals you have AEFW and you are using flatstop because you will just spread this pest to them without you knowledge.

 

[Allmost]

So i decided after 6 or 7 months to dip some corals and i found alot od AEFW even though my corals showed no sign so i took many acros out and each one had worms and again they didnt show signs but they were still there

Hello,


congratulations so you are saying the product worked very well for you and as expected ?


or did you think this product is a medicine tht will kill all AEFW ?

either way, we want the damage/signs of AEFW to stop, and as you stated above, that has happened for you, so Im glad

 

[Allmost]

If you are looking to rid your tank this product wont do that. It has the name to mis inform you so you will buy it but its just a coral immune booster and that is all.

did they say its anything else ?

check the first page of this thread, and first page of Zeovit threads

 

[bigbuckdown]

Look at the first picture of the bottle it clearly states "helps rid AEFW" it doesnt matter what the web site says or what people are writing on here the manufacturer wrote it on the product what it is for i dont understand why people dont see that? it doesnt help rid AEFW it strengthens the corals to let them recover from getting eaten. Your corals are still being eaten its just harder to notice. when i pulled the colony out that had AEFW on it you can clearly see the bite marks just not as noticable in the tank