Bubble king 400 ext. VS Deltec AP 1004

I dont know that much about the RD pumps, but I believe there is an "H2O only" version of it. The feed pump just feeds the skimmer H2O, no air bubbles. Making the air bubbles is the Eheim 1260s job. You dont need anything fancy for a feed pump. Just something that gets the right amount of H2O to the skimmer body.
 
"The feed pump just feeds the skimmer H2O, no air bubbles. Making the air bubbles is the Eheim 1260s job."

Well, that was the whole point of choosing the the AP 1004. That is: a very good skimmer from deltec, and also the best part from the BK (the pump). Thanks for your help! :)
BTW, which skimmer do you think that I should go with?
 
Just by reading the other site, I get the impression that not all the kinks are worked out of the RD NW pumps yet. Some people have problems with restarts, pump failure or certain models not creating the bubbles they should be.

I wanted to get a BK this year but I'm putting that thought on hold to see what their new line of skimmers will bring. For now, I'm going to continue using the AP902. At least the Eheims have a proven track record to hold up over time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9279720#post9279720 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Daniel_ber
"The feed pump just feeds the skimmer H2O, no air bubbles. Making the air bubbles is the Eheim 1260s job."

Well, that was the whole point of choosing the the AP 1004. That is: a very good skimmer from deltec, and also the best part from the BK (the pump). Thanks for your help! :)
BTW, which skimmer do you think that I should go with?
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Just to be sure I'm clear, the pump you use for the feed is not that important. In the case of the 1004, if it can deliver the needed feed rate, is reliable and quiet (if that matters) that is all it needs to do. I have not used either skimmer, so it would be hard to make a recommendation. I will say that Deletc is well known to have solid products. It will work and work well without a doubt. Like a Mercedes Benz. The BKs have more of a high performance exotic reputation. More like a Ferrari.

If it were my job to sell and support this system, I would go for the proven performer with the solid reputation.
 
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"Enquiry minds want to know " How does a titanium pinwheel produce smaller bubbles than a plastic pinwheel ?
I believe I read that klaus said that the plastic pinwheel worked slightly better than the titanium . Please varify this .
I have seen the BK300 external skimmer and examined the bubble size and it was not smaller than my H&S skimmers bubble size .
As far as a recommendation for a skimmer for a 500gallon tank well I like the large H&S skimmers and a MTC HSA-3000 dual beckett will easily handle the tank no problem except you'll need an iwaki 70 rlt pump .
bernie lyons

Hobby Experience: 12years
Current Tanks: 450 gallon reef
Interests: reefkeeping
 
Skimmers are extremely complicated and are more of an art than a science. Klaus is truly a pioneer in the field and has some incredible craftmanship. David Fliger ( screen name is Fliger) has used Deltec and BK extensively and has used both on the same tank and such. He is a wealth of knowledge. H&S skimmers maybe a better option than Deltec, the quality is superior to Deltec. Check out the H&S skimmer on this tank. When price is not of consequence you can really have some remarkable equipment.

Check out the link, the skimmer that Pieter van Suijlekom uses is H&S. http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/totm/index.php
 
TurboSnail,
I did think about going with the H&S A-300..... At first the choice was between the H&S and AP 1004. And for a short while I decided to go with the H&S A-300.. But as you all know its a very hard decision to make. The reason for why I think the AP 1004 is better is that it uses four pumps instead of three and it can be fitted with the self cleaning head.

Vidar, believe me I would have, but the problem is that I dont live in US =)

I am for some reason leaning more and more towards the AP 1004 again. For you guys that are "skimmer experts", is it possible to modifie the AP 1004, and use it with four red dragon pumps that have the same output but a much higher air-intake?

Best Regards
 
Turbosnail, thanks for the link BTW. That has been one of my favorite aquariums for quite a while, and that´s the aquascaping I will try to go with on my tank, well, as much as possible anyway =)
 
Why not give him a call/e-mail anyway, he might have an opinion on your choice of skimmer. I would not be surprized if he could make one for you and send it out of the US. No idea on the price range on his skimmers, but I have the impression that they are much less expensive than BK and Deltec.

Vidar
 
Daniel_ber,
Are you in US or ??? If you want the best in US, Vidar's sugustion is a good one to look into. I thought BK's US restart issues were taking care of, you should double check on that if your in the US. Personaly i give the bubble diffuser/plate (like in BK) more cridit in skimmer performance than a lot of other things. Like turbo said with the art aspect, you cant just look at the numbers.
 
I have had both deltec and now a BK 250 and it is by far my favorite. a very close friend has a h&s and it doesnt perform like my BK and he says it all the time. The Deltecs are built OK at best. H&S built alot better material is alot better. The question about how a skimmer with one pump works bettter then the other very simple the Red Dragon pump is just that much better then the rest out there.
 
I would like to thank all of you for your help.

Vidar: Although I would love to buy one of the "volcanoes" I dont think that it would be such a great idea for me to buy a skimmer from the US (or any other country thats located so far away).

Roland: No, for the moment I dont live in the states (I have some plans about moving there in a couple of years though). I live in Europe.

Tanya: Thank you for your input.
I have seen a couple of the Deltec AP 1004 IRL, and they where skimming very well.
But I havn´t seen a BK IRL yet. So it is impossible for me to compare dose two with each other. Which Deltec skimmer where you using?
 
i think the reason bubble king is so awesome as well is the electric cost. from what i understand electricity is very expensive over seas. thats why tunzes are nice as well lots of flow with minimal electricity. i would go bubble king if it were me.
 
my electric is .36 a kilowatt after all said and done I had a 702 I am not knocking deltec at all there great skimmers BUT from my experience
1.Bubbleking
2.H&S
3.Deltec
4.Euro-reef RC


I have had all 4 I lucked out because I have a guy here local that sells them and got me a good price saved a lil money :)
 
I agree with Tanya's ranking as far as functionality. I eventually bought two Bubblekings and love them.
 
Tanyas rankings are what I would have ranked those skimmers as. BubbleKing is really a good product and if I had the means I would have bought one instead of my H&S.
 
Are you guys talking about this?
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I like it cuz it save electricity. otherwise i would go with H&S A-300 anyday.
 
REEFER714- Awesome photo, BK skimmers are just amazing. If you have any pictures of the skimmate production throw them up, I love to see what a good skimmer can produce.
 
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