Desalwii doing bad :Alk swing or AEFW

Got my water test result yesterday and everything is fine, no heavy metals contamination and every parameter is in check...

Damn those blood sucking vampire worms!! I hope you find the silver bullet quick, or at least a wooden stake! Good luck

What I don't understand is why my sps are reacting that much when many of my friends here have the same AEFW in more numbers than me and their SPS are showing almost no stress at all and no STN...
 
I am experiencing the same thing with my corals but cant find any signs of aefw and have been racking my brain trying to figure this out. I have started to feed more thinking that maybe my water is too clean since my po4 is around .001. Just curious....whats your po4 level and what company did you use for the water testing?
 
I am experiencing the same thing with my corals but cant find any signs of aefw and have been racking my brain trying to figure this out. I have started to feed more thinking that maybe my water is too clean since my po4 is around .001. Just curious....whats your po4 level and what company did you use for the water testing?

I feel your pain !
Phosphate on hanna checker was between 0 and 0,02 ppm and in the sample analysed in a lab 0,04 ppm...
a friend of mine works in a lab and has access to equipement to do the tests !
 
I am in the same boat. I am down to my last 3 birds nest and one stag. I've gone thru everything as well. I've dipped and investigated for red bugs and flat worms to no avail. Even my month started showings signs of stn. I haven't seem bite marks but my tissue is slowly fading away. Plus my tank is almost 3 years old now.
 
Just a thought, maybe you should stop treating the tank with flatworm medication? Give your corals a break since that is the only change/addition you've made aside from your salt switch.
 
Just a thought, maybe you should stop treating the tank with flatworm medication? Give your corals a break since that is the only change/addition you've made aside from your salt switch.

Thanks for your thought, but I've began Flatworm stop after the first 2 weeks of multiple STN...
It has just continued slowly since then, not better, not worse...

but I'm getting near the end of the bottle and I won't continue after that...
I'm in the process of starting a new setup to transfer what is remaining and that setup will serve has a QT/ emergency tank in the future...
 
Did you make any changes? Lights/Powerheads? I'm still thinking it might be the salt, youre corals were looking so good before the switch...
 
Did you make any changes? Lights/Powerheads? I'm still thinking it might be the salt, youre corals were looking so good before the switch...

no lights or powerhead change, thanks for your input !

three things that I see...

1- end of september : salt switch, but very slowly with mixing of my last salt...
and since then I'm back to DDH20

2- beginnig of october: aquascape partially redone with about 10pounds of reock removed.... no deep sand beds stirrred..

3- AEFW - but all in all I've seen about 10 of these, all by dipping, none by blasting... and some montiporas showed stress and stn too...

but both # 1-2 were aggravating factors ; by looking at pictures I saw the stn had begun before that (mid september...)

my first stn was on this gomezi and I thought that zoas were responsible for this, but even after removing the zoas stn continued and spread to other acros...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2224374&highlight=zoa

so maybe another contaminant that carbon and polyfilter did not removed and that is not showing on my water tests ??

red-planet like ...
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Garf Bonsaï
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simplex
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These are some truly sad pic's.:sad2:

IMHO, you need to do one really large water change. The one percent/day water change schedule works great for routine maintenance, but it doesn't take the place of periodic larger water changes.

Lets say your system produces 100ml of contaminants per day. It really doesn't, or shouldn't, but it's a nice round number.:uhoh3: If you do a 1% water change, 99ml of contaminants will be left in the system for that day. The same thing happens on day two, three, four, and so on. The level of contaminants simply continue to rise with each passing day. The overall health of the system, and it's ability to support these delicate life forms, diminishes as time passes.

If you throw in the occasional large water change, you can cut the contaminant concentration back down to a more livable level. I view these smaller water changes similar to the way I view running a good skimmer or other efficient filtering device, or method. It's a good thing to do, but we still need to clean the system, and do larger water changes occasionally.

Testing our water is great, but we can't use the results as if it's the whole story of what's going on in our systems. There are to many substances, like protein based allelopathy, that are very hard to test for. If our animals are suffering, there's a pretty good chance it has something to do with the water they're living in. Regardless of what water testing shows.

HTH
peace
EC
 
Hey aqua80!

Did a melafix dip on one of my deslawaii and out came aefws!

Worst has yet to come! I suspected my acopora spathulatha and did a dip. Unbelievable aefw that came rushing it out. It was unlike the normal aefw but a rather long and huge flat worms!

Anyone encountered before?
 
What type of carbon are you using if you use some?
You say you have done some tests on your water so you checked for cooper, mg etc.?
It seems like the pests option is less possible since you dipped, you use flatworm stop and you blast....
Could it be electricity leaking?? Just an idea...
If you need room i have a frag tank to offer! Let me know.
 
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These are some truly sad pic's.:sad2:

IMHO, you need to do one really large water change. The one percent/day water change schedule works great for routine maintenance, but it doesn't take the place of periodic larger water changes.

Lets say your system produces 100ml of contaminants per day. It really doesn't, or shouldn't, but it's a nice round number.:uhoh3: If you do a 1% water change, 99ml of contaminants will be left in the system for that day. The same thing happens on day two, three, four, and so on. The level of contaminants simply continue to rise with each passing day. The overall health of the system, and it's ability to support these delicate life forms, diminishes as time passes.

If you throw in the occasional large water change, you can cut the contaminant concentration back down to a more livable level. I view these smaller water changes similar to the way I view running a good skimmer or other efficient filtering device, or method. It's a good thing to do, but we still need to clean the system, and do larger water changes occasionally.

Testing our water is great, but we can't use the results as if it's the whole story of what's going on in our systems. There are to many substances, like protein based allelopathy, that are very hard to test for. If our animals are suffering, there's a pretty good chance it has something to do with the water they're living in. Regardless of what water testing shows.

HTH
peace
EC

Agreed ! In addition to the automatic water change I do manual "classics" water change while siphoning detritus each 2-3 weeks, so I normally do about 20-25% water change monthly overall.

since my stn problems I've done about 30-40% water change more.
It is clear that heavy metals testing is limited and many more contaminants not tested can enter our tank...
thanks for your thoughts !

Hey aqua80!

Did a melafix dip on one of my deslawaii and out came aefws!

Worst has yet to come! I suspected my acopora spathulatha and did a dip. Unbelievable aefw that came rushing it out. It was unlike the normal aefw but a rather long and huge flat worms!

sorry to hear about that ! do have STN spreading too ?

What type of carbon are you using if you use some?
You say you have done some tests on your water so you checked for cooper, mg etc.?
It seems like the pests option is less possible since you dipped, you use flatworm stop and you blast....
Could it be electricity leaking?? Just an idea...
If you need room i have a frag tank to offer! Let me know.

I use brigthwell carbon pellets... same bucket for the last 6-8 months...
I do have a titanium grounding probe
thanks for the offer !
but tomorrow I will start a new separate tank for QT and after that grow out...
 
Did your friend double check your alk.?I do not like the new salifert alk. test kit.

yes he tested it but before these tests I also bought an hanna checker to double check ( and I love it by the way, very fast and easy to do...)
thanks


some other pics of damage evolution of the last week...

blue tip green slimer :

in happier time :

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now :

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even my montipora foveolata is beginning to melt in some spots...

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what is making me mad is that after all this STN my corals are still colorful...
but the are dying anyway...

couples of actinic pics of tonight :

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I really loved this austera from fragalot(ontario) :

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before :

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sadly he is on his way out
 
I had the same problem on a my previous tank and i was using brigthwell as well. After dosing everything and checking for pests i tried changing carbon and the problem was solve. I dont really know what happened but it i were you i would try the change it. Have you test for cooper?
 
I had the same problem on a my previous tank and i was using brigthwell as well. After dosing everything and checking for pests i tried changing carbon and the problem was solve. I dont really know what happened but it i were you i would try the change it. Have you test for cooper?

yes copper was 6 ug/l (or 6 ppb) wich is really not that bad as I understand that toxic levels in our tanks begins somewhere between 10 and 100 ppb...

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2104096

and polyfilter never turned blue
but I may change the carbon anyway... but I still have a big bucket of carbonit-p....
thanks for your help !!
 
here are the results of the test (in french sorry !)

- 1st column is the lower limit of detection by the instruments used
- 2nd is concentration in natural seawater (averaged)
- 3d is my tank !!

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