I agree that the cree have a nicer looking and functioning PCB. But I picked up a few when I got the new driver. When I removed them from the bubble wrap the lens that is on the LED came off one of them. Now I am not referring to the 60-70-80 degree lenses that we put on them. I mean the little bubble optic that is supposed to be permanently attached at the factory. I then examined the rest and noticed that I was able to easily move the lens around on all of them. They are very delicate, too delicate for me. I agree that some parts are built better than other LED's but to have the optics fall off like that is unacceptable especially for the price. I called the company that I got them from and was told that all of the Cree's are like this. Yes the Fedy's run warmer but I have not had any fall apart. Besides if it were not for Fedy them we would not have this thread. I also agree that airflow is key, but I have 52lbs of heat sink with no fans for this reason. Like all of our aquariums, there are unlimited options. I think people (like I have done) are looking for the results of others to create their own fixtures with personalized options. These are not peeing matches they are more of a long documentation of each configuration. Just because you or I don't THINK that something will work is only valid until someone tries it and gets the results, whether they are good or bad. Then that becomes the valid opinion and supersedes the opinion that is based on guesses.