DIY Red Dragon Pumps, gathering ideas.

[JCTewks]

YEAH...that is exactly what i was thinking. is there a real advantage to using a plate like we've all been doing. i would think the lower weight would allow for lower watts, ore more mesh. when are those pumps do in? the Mrs put me on lock from spending any money right now new baby coming in 6 weeks it's a good thing, jus tnot for the tanks.

I think if you could fit a 3 1/2" - 4" Volute on a 7000 with a 1 1/2"thick mesh wheel that's like 3" in diameter....you might just beat a RD!!! Just dream of 100+ SCFH out of under 100 watts!!

 

[JCTewks]

Is ATI using somethin layered like enkamat, or are they using a thicker product like Klaus?

 

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9814422#post9814422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JCTewks
Is ATI using somethin layered like enkamat, or are they using a thicker product like Klaus?

I don't know 100% what ati use but from my little knowledge they will surprise again and big time .... it's more then the enkmat


i know this material long time ago it's not new to me here is picture of it , to make a new thead on it ...... :crazy1:

 

[JCTewks]

Michael...what is that stuff?? i'v been sitting here searching for the last hour looking for thicker open mesh to use on a large pump with no luck. thinking about something 1" - 1 1/2" thick. fairly open in structure, and durable as concrete

 

[JCTewks]

what do you think about the enkamat pf13?? it's 1" thick...polyester though....would that be not as durable?

PF13

 

[mavgi]

I try the PF13 and don't like it . it will be hard to mod and because it's thick you can't put more then one layer on standard impeller :

here is the picture PF13 :

 

[JCTewks]

yeah it's thick...but thinkink of making a pad really thick for a large custom volute. what do you think the mesh that klaus is using to make the red dragon pumps. it looks pretty thick and dense. i think the really open structure and expandability of the enkamat would be its downfall in this application.

 

[mavgi]

they use in the same mesh (enkamat ) different type and shape .

the true is that they use in a strong motor that custom made for this pump .

if i am not wrong (i can't be sure 100% ) they also use it on a dc pump that allowed to increase the speed of the pump a lot and to pull a lot of air more then the standard pump this will increase the LPH a lot and the bubble will be very fine .

on regular pump the performance will be depend on the motor type , we can make the test but just after a test you can realy know if it's good or not .... for some pump it will work good and for other it's will reduce the performance .....

 

[hahnmeister]

No... its not enkamat... look in the meerwasser thread I linked to... most certainly not enkamat.

 

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9814648#post9814648 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
I don't know 100% what ati use but from my little knowledge they will surprise again and big time .... it's more then the enkmat


i know this material long time ago it's not new to me here is picture of it , to make a new thead on it ...... :crazy1:

I agree mavgi, ATI's new stuff will definately be eye opening.

 

[glassbox-design]

hahn, i was talking about with a tougher thread material like klaus is using. smtjk's skimmer is awsome though.

My uncle is in the pattern works/molding buisness and showed me some of the stuff they had there... let's just say mesh is the way of the future, there is some really cool mesh out there

eric

 

[onetrickpony]

This material looks very close to the BK mat
http://tinyurl.com/yufler

This looks like an exact match
http://tinyurl.com/24g8a4
http://tinyurl.com/2gmry8

 

[slavearm]

I just ordered some samples. I will let you know.

 

[hahnmeister]

creetin, ATI? This is bubbleking material, not ATI.

 

[Klaus Jansen]

@Hahn...
the metallic-meshweel is the better as the plastic-meshweels. We testing the performance of this new wheels at the moment... so we can look, the meshwheels are better as needlewheels, or not. The Material on the picture is stainless Steel, we say V4A in Europe. In the future it is possible for make the meshwheels in HastelloyC or Titan wires. The wire from the metal wheel, was twisted 6 meters long and from a piece And... the BK-Skimmers are not more expensive... the same price.

Regards.. Klaus

 

[hahnmeister]

Im confused... "the BK skimmers are not more expensive... the same price." What are you referring to? Im confused...

Same price as ???

 

[Klaus Jansen]

@Hahn...
Needle-wheel or Titanium-Meshwheel.. the same price..:eek2:

regards...

 

[billyzbear]

This maybe off topic. I have been very interested in DIY skimmers and pumps. I had a quietone 4000 break on me after 3-4 years of use. They use 50w have 1" in and out. The disk is 1.63". I'm at work right now but I know there is enough room for atleast a 2" disk. I don't know if it has enough torque to spin a large disk. They do make a 4000HH.
Another pump and the mesh should be here soon and the testing begins.
With the mesh mod should I make holes in the disk to cut down on wieght?
Am I right with thinking, biggest disk with three layers of mesh?

Billy

 

[Konadog]

Klaus, I appreciate you adding to this thread, It can only help the skimmer industry as a whole! Your new "test" mesh wheel looks very interesting.

It looks to me as if the metal mesh wheel is a lot more dense than the plastic ones. Do you know if/how that also affects the air intake?

 

[douggiestyle]

it appears that the bk mesh wheel is held in place by a retaining ring. is this the norm?