Ed Reef's '295-gallon Peninsular ZEOVit SPS tank'
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Ed Reef
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WHAT HAPPEN???
WHAT HAPPEN???
Last night I went back and my Spanish hogfish was lying on the sand bed breathing hard and this morning he was a goner!! Also found my Diana Hogfish dead as well….
Did a quick check for NH3, NO2 and NO3 immediately last night and all seems fine. My other fishes all seem to be normal eating and playing, like their usual self.
I cannot understand what happen as the Spanish hogfish didn’t show any sign of stress or disease and was eating almost immediately when I put him in the tank on Sun evening!! He was doing well in the LFS while he was in quarantine for over 7 weeks, eating and swimming well. This also happen to my Rainbow Wrasse which I also lost a while back to no apparent reason and whatever is in my tank only seem to be after wrasse!
I’m fairly new to wrasse but from what I read, they are supposed to be hardy fishes??
WHAT HAPPEN???
Last night I went back and my Spanish hogfish was lying on the sand bed breathing hard and this morning he was a goner!! Also found my Diana Hogfish dead as well….
Did a quick check for NH3, NO2 and NO3 immediately last night and all seems fine. My other fishes all seem to be normal eating and playing, like their usual self.
I cannot understand what happen as the Spanish hogfish didn’t show any sign of stress or disease and was eating almost immediately when I put him in the tank on Sun evening!! He was doing well in the LFS while he was in quarantine for over 7 weeks, eating and swimming well. This also happen to my Rainbow Wrasse which I also lost a while back to no apparent reason and whatever is in my tank only seem to be after wrasse!
I’m fairly new to wrasse but from what I read, they are supposed to be hardy fishes??
melev
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There are a bunch of different wrasses, and I don't know that they are hardier than other fish. They are known jumpers, that's a provable fact.
Here's a random though: Could you have a Mantis that is killing them?
Random Thought #2: With the pump issues, do you have enough oxygen in the water? If your surface rippling pretty good, or is it calm?
Here's a random though: Could you have a Mantis that is killing them?
Random Thought #2: With the pump issues, do you have enough oxygen in the water? If your surface rippling pretty good, or is it calm?
Ed Reef
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I thought of Mantis as well after I check my readings are normal and last night sit by the tank (even after the lights are off) and there is no 'clicking' sound to be heard so far....
My surface is rippling pretty good and my PH is on an average 8.1 (lights off) and 8.3 (lights on) so oxygen don't seen to be an issue. Also I don't see the fishes going to the surface for air as they seem to be swimming/ eating normal and the next day breathing hard?? This was the same issue with all 3 of my wrasse?? and the only other fish that seem to suffer from this same fate is my Pyramid butterfly
Another thoughts is maybe some internal infection or injuries that I was not aware of??
PreacherMan607
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Ed,
How do you like your Solaris? And how do the Sps corals (Acropora) do with it? The reason I ask is that I have the 72" Solaris 20K.
How do you like your Solaris? And how do the Sps corals (Acropora) do with it? The reason I ask is that I have the 72" Solaris 20K.
ReefEnabler
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Preacher, Ed's Solaris started breaking down piece by piece and he eventually got fed up and switched back to an old MH fixture. I think hes still waiting on his ATI powermodul T5 lighting.....
Von_Rahvin
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Re: FISHY BUSINESS
Re: FISHY BUSINESS
sorry for you loss of the fish, but i'll validate it's a spanish hogfish.
they are just as tasty as their normal hog fish cousin.
we catch/shoot some larger ones over in the bahamas.
Re: FISHY BUSINESS
I’m really bad with wrasse ID…Seem like a semi adult Spanish Hogfish?? Any ID for this wrasse guys?
sorry for you loss of the fish, but i'll validate it's a spanish hogfish.
they are just as tasty as their normal hog fish cousin.
we catch/shoot some larger ones over in the bahamas.
PreacherMan607
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WOW! Reef I hate to hear that...... my does great! I haven't tried it with Acropora yet though.
Ed Reef
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As Ryan said, I no longer have the Solaris....however in the short time I had it, all SPS, incl. Acros seems to be doing OK with good PE but bear in mind mine was the I-series, where yours seem to be the H-series. Didn't measure Par so not sure what sort of pars I was getting...
Only issues with the is the quality control and if you're one of th lucky few that have a working unit, then fine but I was not one of those lucky few :mad2:
There is another Solaris user on the board (do a search) which seem to be pretty successful so far
Ed Reef
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Re: Re: FISHY BUSINESS
Re: Re: FISHY BUSINESS
Thanks Von_Rahvin. Great picture...how large was the one in the picture?
Re: Re: FISHY BUSINESS
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13590471#post13590471 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Von_Rahvin
sorry for you loss of the fish, but i'll validate it's a spanish hogfish.
they are just as tasty as their normal hog fish cousin.
we catch/shoot some larger ones over in the bahamas.
Thanks Von_Rahvin. Great picture...how large was the one in the picture?
Von_Rahvin
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that's just a little guy. say 2#. we get up to 18#. I think the wr is 24 or some such. any back to fish tanks, I keep thinking if i manage to find one that's small enough it's going into my aggressive thank. they are very interesting and curious fish. they coolest thing about them is that their color change ability is very fast and very graphic.
forgive me for not saying this earlier but you have a very impressive tank
forgive me for not saying this earlier but you have a very impressive tank
PreacherMan607
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Thank you for the help Ed, I have read numerous post both on RC and elsewhere that told the same story that you just did. It's a shame that so many have suffered through the BETA phase of these light fixtures. I do honestly believe that one day they will be all we use in this hobby. It may be several years from now but it is coming! Thanks again and I am sorry about the loss of your fish.
Tim
Tim
Ed Reef
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Yeah, it's sad as I still think LED is the light of the future.... I thought there were done with the BETA as mine was already their 3rd series out but still got issues. Hopefully now that their production is move back to the US, thing]s will get better.
Overall, I still think it's a fantastic lights, if not for the damn quality. :eek2:
Ed Reef
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BACK TO SQUARE ONE ON RBS
BACK TO SQUARE ONE ON RBS
Yes, I’m back to square one as apparently the shipment cost was a lot more (more than double of what it was original quoted) so after taking everything into account, a box of RBS is going to cost me close to USD150 per box, which IMO is way too much to pay for any salt!!
So, for now I will continue to used TMPro and see if I can find a low dKH salt to mix it in to bring my dKH down for us zeoheads :mixed:
Will get a packet of local made-in-China salt to test out this weekend and see what the params are and experiment a little!!
BACK TO SQUARE ONE ON RBS
Yes, I’m back to square one as apparently the shipment cost was a lot more (more than double of what it was original quoted) so after taking everything into account, a box of RBS is going to cost me close to USD150 per box, which IMO is way too much to pay for any salt!!
So, for now I will continue to used TMPro and see if I can find a low dKH salt to mix it in to bring my dKH down for us zeoheads :mixed:
Will get a packet of local made-in-China salt to test out this weekend and see what the params are and experiment a little!!
Ed Reef
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BUTTERFLY EXPERIENCE - UPDATE II
BUTTERFLY EXPERIENCE - UPDATE II
OK, been exactly ONE MONTH :dance: since my butterflies are in the tank so as promised, another update:
Scientific name: Chaetodon Kleinni
Common Name: Orange Butterfly, Black Lip Butterfly, Klein Butterfly, Sunburst Butterfly, Orange Butterfly
Diet: Carnivorous â€"œ eat variety of chopped foods (meats & veggies), Benthic invertebrates and Algae
Behaviour:
No aggression between the two Chaetodon. Play nicely with my other tank mates too.
The fastest butterfly to settle into my tank as he was eating almost immediately after he got into the tank, which makes me think he is the most hardy butterfly compare to other species. Defiantly not shy as I’ve never seen him hiding but instead always about in the open!
Observation:
In the one month Mr. Kleinii been in the tank, he has completely consume my Loop brain and my Elegant coral. My toadstool leather polyps has also stop coming out for the initial 1st week but now it’s back to normal. Maybe he don’t fancy the taste of it…!!
However, no damage notices to my other corals, incl. my mushrooms, cauliflower softy, frogspawn, hammer, acans, mushrooms. Guess no meaty LPS corals for me, which suite me fine as I intend to add large angels too…. ☺
My invertebrates â€"œ 2 x cleaner shrimps, hermits, coco worms, turbo snails all seem fine and undisturbed with his presents.
As for SPS, there are some pieces that started to show less polyps but no physical damage notice. This could be cause by him or my pygmy angel so hard to tell who’s responsible.
Eats well and aggressive when comes to feeding time as he is able to fight with my 2 greedy Tangs and Trigger for food so no worries of starvation there. When not feeding, he basically swims around gracefully looking for food amongst the LR (a real joy to watch) and his color is getting even brighter….
IMO can be kept with aggressive tank mates, like tangs, triggers, wrasse…
Summary:
Overall for reef safe butterfly I would rate him 7 out of 10 for a SPS tank. For anyone considering a kleinii in their reef tank, make sure you have no meaty LPS corals around :eek2:
Scientific name: Chaetodon Semilarvatus
Common Name: Golden Masked Butterfly; Blue-cheeked Butterfly; Addis Butterfly Fish
Diet: Carnivorous â€"œ Algae, flying insects and some small fish in the wild. So far feeding well on pellets and brine shrimps
Behaviour:
Less aggressive than my Kleinii and seem to be a schooling type butterfly as he is always schooling with my Yellow tang. I guess if you’re brave enough, you can add 2 to 3 Golden masked and let them school in your tank…. HOW COOL IS THAT!!
He does run for cover whenever I approached the tank during the initial 1st week but very quickly learn that ‘ME APPROACHING TANK = FOOD’ so no longer running for cover now.
Getting aggressive now during feeding as he know how to fend for himself. A very social fish, IMO
Observation:
Eating well on pellets and frozen brine shrimps. Also occasionally pecks on the base of my SPS base and plugs in the first 2 weeks so not sure if he is picking on the algae or the polyps but have since reduce. Occasionally he will still pick on my Monties but this is a lot less compare to his 1st 2 weeks.
Does seem to stay away from softies and LPS as I’ve never seen him even showing any interest.
From the way he swims (one end to another) makes me think you will need a large tank for him (min 200g)
Also likes lot’s of mature LR as he will peck the LR for algae, similar to an Angel or Tang species.
Summary:
Overall for reef safe butterfly I would rate him 7 out of 10 for a LPS tank but 5 out of 10 for a SPS tank as he is seen occasionally picking on SPS base in the initial 2 weeks. At this moment, I won’t call him ‘Reef Safe’ yet but will continue keeping a close eye on him.
R.I.P but I figure I will do a review anyway based on when he was still around!!
Scientific name: Hemitauricthys polylepis
Common Name: Yellow Pyramid Butterfly, Zoster Butterfly, Yellow Zoster Butterfly
Diet: Carnivorous - will accept most foods offered, including finely chopped seafood, frozen or live brine shrimp, frozen preparations and even flake food. So far feeding well on pellets and brine shrimps
Behaviour:
Shy initially and need a few days to a week to settle in. Best to have plenty of caves for them to hide in the initial phase.
Once settle in, they will swim out more in the open. They don’t swim much but more of ‘hanging’ out together and hover above the corals…
Observation:
A lot more shy and needs more time to settle in but once settle in should be quite hardy.
Not as aggressive as the other 2 butterflies during feeding time so you will have to flood the tank in order for him to get a chance to feed. Love frozen brine shrimps but not so much into pellets. Not sure if this is cause the pellets never gets the chance to reach him most of the time
Would suggest keeping them with less aggressive tank mates.
In the time I had him (which is very short), I’ve never seen him showing any interest in the corals, both LPS and SPS.
Summary:
IMO the best butterfly fish in the reef. I would rate him 8 out of 10. Only reason I’m not rating him a full 10 points is because I would like to observed min 6 months to a year more! Will try to get em again once they become available to me but they do not seem very hardy!
BUTTERFLY EXPERIENCE - UPDATE II
OK, been exactly ONE MONTH :dance: since my butterflies are in the tank so as promised, another update:
Scientific name: Chaetodon Kleinni
Common Name: Orange Butterfly, Black Lip Butterfly, Klein Butterfly, Sunburst Butterfly, Orange Butterfly
Diet: Carnivorous â€"œ eat variety of chopped foods (meats & veggies), Benthic invertebrates and Algae
Behaviour:
No aggression between the two Chaetodon. Play nicely with my other tank mates too.
The fastest butterfly to settle into my tank as he was eating almost immediately after he got into the tank, which makes me think he is the most hardy butterfly compare to other species. Defiantly not shy as I’ve never seen him hiding but instead always about in the open!
Observation:
In the one month Mr. Kleinii been in the tank, he has completely consume my Loop brain and my Elegant coral. My toadstool leather polyps has also stop coming out for the initial 1st week but now it’s back to normal. Maybe he don’t fancy the taste of it…!!
However, no damage notices to my other corals, incl. my mushrooms, cauliflower softy, frogspawn, hammer, acans, mushrooms. Guess no meaty LPS corals for me, which suite me fine as I intend to add large angels too…. ☺
My invertebrates â€"œ 2 x cleaner shrimps, hermits, coco worms, turbo snails all seem fine and undisturbed with his presents.
As for SPS, there are some pieces that started to show less polyps but no physical damage notice. This could be cause by him or my pygmy angel so hard to tell who’s responsible.
Eats well and aggressive when comes to feeding time as he is able to fight with my 2 greedy Tangs and Trigger for food so no worries of starvation there. When not feeding, he basically swims around gracefully looking for food amongst the LR (a real joy to watch) and his color is getting even brighter….
IMO can be kept with aggressive tank mates, like tangs, triggers, wrasse…
Summary:
Overall for reef safe butterfly I would rate him 7 out of 10 for a SPS tank. For anyone considering a kleinii in their reef tank, make sure you have no meaty LPS corals around :eek2:
Scientific name: Chaetodon Semilarvatus
Common Name: Golden Masked Butterfly; Blue-cheeked Butterfly; Addis Butterfly Fish
Diet: Carnivorous â€"œ Algae, flying insects and some small fish in the wild. So far feeding well on pellets and brine shrimps
Behaviour:
Less aggressive than my Kleinii and seem to be a schooling type butterfly as he is always schooling with my Yellow tang. I guess if you’re brave enough, you can add 2 to 3 Golden masked and let them school in your tank…. HOW COOL IS THAT!!
He does run for cover whenever I approached the tank during the initial 1st week but very quickly learn that ‘ME APPROACHING TANK = FOOD’ so no longer running for cover now.
Getting aggressive now during feeding as he know how to fend for himself. A very social fish, IMO
Observation:
Eating well on pellets and frozen brine shrimps. Also occasionally pecks on the base of my SPS base and plugs in the first 2 weeks so not sure if he is picking on the algae or the polyps but have since reduce. Occasionally he will still pick on my Monties but this is a lot less compare to his 1st 2 weeks.
Does seem to stay away from softies and LPS as I’ve never seen him even showing any interest.
From the way he swims (one end to another) makes me think you will need a large tank for him (min 200g)
Also likes lot’s of mature LR as he will peck the LR for algae, similar to an Angel or Tang species.
Summary:
Overall for reef safe butterfly I would rate him 7 out of 10 for a LPS tank but 5 out of 10 for a SPS tank as he is seen occasionally picking on SPS base in the initial 2 weeks. At this moment, I won’t call him ‘Reef Safe’ yet but will continue keeping a close eye on him.
R.I.P but I figure I will do a review anyway based on when he was still around!!
Scientific name: Hemitauricthys polylepis
Common Name: Yellow Pyramid Butterfly, Zoster Butterfly, Yellow Zoster Butterfly
Diet: Carnivorous - will accept most foods offered, including finely chopped seafood, frozen or live brine shrimp, frozen preparations and even flake food. So far feeding well on pellets and brine shrimps
Behaviour:
Shy initially and need a few days to a week to settle in. Best to have plenty of caves for them to hide in the initial phase.
Once settle in, they will swim out more in the open. They don’t swim much but more of ‘hanging’ out together and hover above the corals…
Observation:
A lot more shy and needs more time to settle in but once settle in should be quite hardy.
Not as aggressive as the other 2 butterflies during feeding time so you will have to flood the tank in order for him to get a chance to feed. Love frozen brine shrimps but not so much into pellets. Not sure if this is cause the pellets never gets the chance to reach him most of the time
Would suggest keeping them with less aggressive tank mates.
In the time I had him (which is very short), I’ve never seen him showing any interest in the corals, both LPS and SPS.
Summary:
IMO the best butterfly fish in the reef. I would rate him 8 out of 10. Only reason I’m not rating him a full 10 points is because I would like to observed min 6 months to a year more! Will try to get em again once they become available to me but they do not seem very hardy!
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