Flameback and Cherub Angel Pairs

[TerrapinStation]

Hey,

How many folks have had luck with pairing fireball or cherub angels? What do you think is the recommended/ideal tank size? I've kept a coral beauty pair for a few years in a 55g. Curious about c. argi given their reputation being a little more aggressive.

Thanks!

 

[ThRoewer]

I had a C. argi trio in a 100 liter tank

 

[OrionN]

Pygmy angels are very easy to pair. Put some young ones together and you get a harem. In the past, in my 450, I had a Fireball and two Cherubs harem. In this harem, the larger Fireball was male and two Cherubs were females. The spawned almost nightly.

 

[velvetelvis]

I have a C. argi pair in my 50G reef tank. I placed two immature angels together (one was bigger). After a bit of chasing and nipping they settled in. The male will still chase the female at times, but only for a second or two. For the most part, they coexist quite well--though I haven't seen any spawning behavior yet. IME, lots of hiding places and ample feeding help keep the peace.

 

[TerrapinStation]

Thank you for the info! Interesting, hadn't really considered mixing species - nice to know it's possible.

 

[TerrapinStation]

Sorry, one more question. Seems there's a season for the small pygmy angels. What time of the year do they generally start showing up?

 

[velvetelvis]

I'm not sure. I got mine about 6 months ago. I've seen a couple of tinies at LFS recently. I would contact Philip and Kara at KP Aquatics and request two cherubs of different sizes (if you want C. argi).

 

[alton]

I'm not sure. I got mine about 6 months ago. I've seen a couple of tinies at LFS recently. I would contact Philip and Kara at KP Aquatics and request two cherubs of different sizes (if you want C. argi).

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[White-Queen]

I just started a thread about my ideas for stocking a 110g and would love a pair of coral beauty or flames in the tank. Do you think a pair of flames would be OK if the tank already had a yellow tang?


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[TerrapinStation]

I'm not sure. I got mine about 6 months ago. I've seen a couple of tinies at LFS recently. I would contact Philip and Kara at KP Aquatics and request two cherubs of different sizes (if you want C. argi).

Hey, thanks for the suggestion. I wasn't aware of their store.

 

[michaelg]

I just started a thread about my ideas for stocking a 110g and would love a pair of coral beauty or flames in the tank. Do you think a pair of flames would be OK if the tank already had a yellow tang?


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Should be fine unless the YT is extremely territorial- but with a 110 and if it hasn't been in there too long, it will probably be OK. As with what was said above- get different sizes for the angels. I did this with my potter's and they paired right up. Will be doing it with c. argi as soon as I find a second. These pairs are in different tanks. Once paired though, they may become more territorial, so think about other fish you may want in there. My pair are fine with a dottyback and a desjardini tang until the tang went to a bigger tank.

 

[White-Queen]

I started a stocking thread but the tank is coming with yellow tang and ocellaris pair. I'm thinking a mandarin eventually if I can, dotty back, flame angels and that would probably be pretty good. Maybe a blenny or trio of neon gobies. Would love your thoughts on my other thread especially with your experience with flames. I know they will probably be the last two in the tank so no rush but curious your thoughts.


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[A sea K]

Once paired though, they may become more territorial, so think about other fish you may want in there. My pair are fine with a dottyback and a desjardini tang until the tang went to a bigger tank.

Thanks for this info. I'm considering a pair of C. argi for my new 80 gal but keep very passive fish and was concerned about aggression issues.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

How did this go?
I am trying to pair two Cherubs and this is the most aggressive interaction they have had so far. They seem to be calming down but it's only been 20-30 mins
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[alton]

you need to give the less aggressive one some place to retreat back to. On my flames it took a few weeks to pair. The smaller one always retreated back the birdsnest where it was safe. I am sure others will chime in on there thoughts.

 

[nereefpat]

If they keep that up, you could divide them, using egg crate, until they're out of qt.

 

[enveetie]

I used to have a pair of cherubs and neither were that nippy, ever. In the DT, they were inseparable grazing rocks and swimming in and out of the rock work. It seems like one of them is in "get the heck out of here" mode clinging to the side and corner of the container.

I hope this behavior is short term for you. Keep us posted.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Interestingly enough the more stressed angel in the video is now in charge. Go figure lol.
They are better today. I hope they pair up.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

My pairing attempt failed. The two angels started to circle each other and fight. I took one of them back to the fish store this morning before it was too late.

 

[Michael Hoaster]

Cherubs are harem spawners. For the smallest possible harem (3) get two smalls and one larger one. The smalls will stay female (they all start as female) and the large will turn male if he isn't already.

The problem with pairs (which can work if you're lucky, but often doesn't) is that one female has to bare with ALL of the male's harassment. Harems give females some relief by spreading the harassment around. The more females, the easier it is on everyone.

Some angel fish form pairs. It depends on the species. If you plan to keep multiples of any fish in your tank, it is important that you do some research to determine the best number, for them and your tank size.