H.Barbouri with chalices

The River Reef

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I am planning on keeping a pair of H. Barbouri horses in my 34g Solana. I have been very careful as to what corals I have placed in this tank. I choose Barbouri due to the reading that they are more tolerant of corals than other species. I was given 2 rather expensive chalice frags and would really like to keep them. I am not planning on buying the horses for about a month. Should I remove the chalice corals? Has anyone kept them safely in a Seahorse tank, specifically Barbouri?
 
Can't help you with chalice info but I'd like to know who is passing on old wives tales that H. barbouri are more tolerant of corals than others.
Did you read that in anything that could be construed as an authority on seahorse keeping?
 
Rayjay, I've read all over the net that H. barbouri "live mainly in reefs" and some people even claiming that barbs are immune to stings. I wouldn't try it personally, and I didnt see much if any evidence to back these claims up. Maybe they do live mainly in reefs in the wild, but it's not really worth the risk to find out if they do well in a reef aquarium environment imo.

Chalice corals have sweeper tentacles, I've heard that they can pack a nasty sting, but generally the tentacles come out only a night. So you might not notice the coral as the culprit once your seahorse falls ill.
 
Yes they are found on some reefs but those reefs are sps type corals.
If one seahorse could build up some immunity towards sweeper stings, I'd imagine others could do it also.
Just remember that you can read so much on the net but only a very small portion of it is accurate and written by authoritative sources.
There sure is a pile of crap in the way of information on seahorses.
 
I also read in several articles that they are living in reefs and have protection from corals stings due to their hard shell like body... But I have been in contact with Ocean Rider who explained how difficult if not impossible it will be to find H.Barbouri that are captive breed nowadays... I am entering their training program and will probably buying their Sunburst breed
 
I also read in several articles that they are living in reefs and have protection from corals stings due to their hard shell like body... But I have been in contact with Ocean Rider who explained how difficult if not impossible it will be to find H.Barbouri that are captive breed nowadays... I am entering their training program and will probably buying their Sunburst breed
All seahorses have the "skeleton" body covered by flesh that is affected by stings.
You need to check out other suppliers as well.
The most recommended source of true captive bred seahorses is seahorsesource.com.
You should find prices cheaper there as well.
DO NOT buy a seahorse based on colour as they will change to suit their mood and surroundings. Many have bought that way only to have the seahorse change to black or black brown or whitish. (even if you feed them the "special" foods/enrichments they sell)
The sunburst is just a yellow erectus and is not a special or separate species.
None of their seahorses are special species, just fancy names for what their normal names are.
 
I also read in several articles that they are living in reefs and have protection from corals stings due to their hard shell like body... But I have been in contact with Ocean Rider who explained how difficult if not impossible it will be to find H.Barbouri that are captive breed nowadays... I am entering their training program and will probably buying their Sunburst breed

seahorsesource.com does have CB barbouri's on occasion.

The seahorse will pretty much be whatever color it wants to be as well. If you buy one that's yellow it might decide it likes brown better in your tank. Then you've paid extra money for a yellow seahorse that is no longer yellow. Seahorses change colors for all kinds of reasons and there is not a lot you can do about it. I've read some of Rayjay's post where he has tried a lot of different things with little success.

The color supplements for seahorses allow them to make the different pigment colors, but that doesn't help you if your seahorse wants to be brown (or any other color).
 
Sorry, I have my chiller set to turn on at 75 currently. The temp stays in the high 74s... But I have chiller and heater so can adjust and hold...
 
I was curious as to how they claim the sunburst to be smaller than their mustangs.... Sorry this is long but I want to have it looked over. This is a piece of the email from Ocean Rider:

Dear Matthew:
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Yes, sir, I would be happy to help you make an informed decision as to which species of seahorses would be best suited for your reef tank. As a matter of fact, Matthew, several years ago, I wrote a two-part featured article for TFH magazine on "Seahorses in the Reef Tank" that addressed that very topic.
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There are two popular species of seahorses that can be described as coral reef specialists, and which would do well in a reef tank that was modified to accommodate seahorses "“ namely Tigertail seahorses (Hippocampus comes) and the zebra snout seahorses (Hippocampus barbouri). The natural habitat for Hippocampus comes is coral reefs in the Indo Pacific and they would be well suited for a reef tank with stony corals and soft corals. Hippocampus barbouri is famous for its well-developed spines and it is said that the barbs are impervious to the stings of corals, making them a good candidate for a reef tank that includes stony corals. Both of these species can also tolerate somewhat warmer water temperatures than many of the other greater seahorses, so they are good choices for reef tanks that run a bit on the warm side, in particular.
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However, I do not believe either Hippocampus comes or Hippocampus barbouri would be the best choice for you, Matthew. Neither species is currently being cultured and raised in the United States as aquarium specimens, and therefore any Tigertail or zebra snout seahorses you might be able to obtain would be delicate wild-caught specimens that would be challenging to keep under any circumstances.
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Secondly, even the wild Hippocampus comes and Hippocampus barbouri are very rarely seen in this country anymore since the entire genus Hippocampus is now protected under the new CITES regulations covering the import and export of seahorses. So even if you are willing to gamble and try your luck with the delicate wild-caught specimens, Matthew, it's very unlikely that you would find any barbs or Tigertails available"¦
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Ocean Rider is still working all of their lines of captive-bred-and-raised seahorses, Matthew, which includes more species than ever (several varieties of Hippocampus erectus, as well as H. reidi, H. barbouri, H. ingens, H. fisheri, H. zosterae, H. capensis, H. whitei, H. procerus, etc.), but most of their strains are no longer being raised in commercial numbers for the aquarium market consistently.* Rather, they are merely raising enough of the most of the species to maintain their broodstock and to eliminate any concerns about inbreeding, and to provide display animals for the aquaculture facility and the ever-popular tours, but they aren't raising enough surplus specimens to offer them to hobbyists at all times anymore.* The lines for all of these species are being improved and maintained nonstop, but they are listed as "out of stock" on their website for hobbyists purposes. (This includes the Ocean Rider strain of Hippocampus barbouri, sir, which are still being cultured and raised as part of Ocean Rider's living gene bank of seahorses, but which are no longer being offered to the general public.)
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For the home hobbyist, they are instead concentrating on raising lots and lots of their various strains of H. erectus, which are there bread-and-butter items.* They made a conscious decision in that regard and feel that the H. erectus are by far the hardiest seahorse species for the home hobbyists, particularly first-time seahorse keepers, so those are the seahorses they now make available to home aquarists, primarily.* Mustangs and Sunbursts are always in stock, and Pintos and Fire Reds are also provided for those who can afford them.* But other than their H. erectus morphs, nowadays they only make the other seahorse species available to hobbyists sporadically, when their numbers build up enough that they need to reduce their surplus. In other words, Matthew, to my knowledge, Ocean Rider has no plans to make more Hippocampus barbouri available to hobbyists in the foreseeable future.
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In addition to their colorful varieties of cultured H. erectus, Ocean Rider is also offering their strain of equally hardy Hippocampus abdominalis to home hobbyists who maintain temperate or coldwater aquariums. Commonly known as potbellied seahorses, Ocean Rider markets their line of extremely adaptable H. abdominalis under the name of Brumbries, and these giant seahorses (the world's largest) are also always available to the public.
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Of course, seadragons are demanding more of Ocean Rider's time these days as they work to develop a Seadragon exhibit at the aquaculture facility.* As you can imagine, the seadragons are challenging to work with and that means less time for raising all of the other seahorse species in mass quantities.
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In addition, Ocean Rider is also developing new strains of marine fish such as their captive-bred-and-raised Red Banded Pipefish (Doryrhamphus dactyliophorus), which are now being offered to home hobbyists for the first time. Besides their new strain of hardy banded pipefish, Ocean Rider is also planning on offering more of their Gigantes (Hippocampus ingens) to the public before long, but they have no plans to release more of the Hippocampus barbouri to hobbyists in the immediate future.
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But that does not mean there are no hardy, highly domesticated Ocean Rider seahorses available that would be good choices for your 34-gallon Solana reef system, Matthew. Quite the contrary "“ as long as you have a chiller on the 34-gallon reef tank so that the water temperature is suitable, either the Mustangs or the Sunbursts (Hippocampus erectus) would thrive in a suitable reef tank, where they would benefit from the optimum water quality, natural surroundings, and abundant copepods and amphipods in a well-established reef system.
 
Sorry, I have my chiller set to turn on at 75 currently. The temp stays in the high 74s... But I have chiller and heater so can adjust and hold...

thats good . not sure why they list sunburst as smaller other then they may be selling them at a younger age.
 
Most likely they are smaller because they've taken the time to select ones that don't grow as much as others and selectively over a number of breeding sessions, have a consistently smaller seahorse.
Conversely, you could select larger ones for breeding.
It won't work for just ones from one or two sets of offspring.
As for the H. barbouri,
and it is said that the barbs are impervious to the stings of corals
he doesn't say WHO it is that said that.
Note though that he mentioned keeping them with sps and softies, not LPS.
 
Forgot to mention that Aquamarine International is shipping H. comes tigertails to North America so all you have to do for those is to find a store who uses a transhipper that brings them in.
 
The reply goes onto specify the max size of Sunburst to be 4-5" close to Barbs.. While Mustangs grow to 7-8"... I can post that section later... I just feel better with 20" tall aquarium to get something in the 5-6" full grown range
 
The part about no one in the US raising/selling CB H.comes and H. barbouri isn't true. I will give OR this though, they sure are good at marketing to people.

Personally I'd avoid OR, if for no other reason (and there are more lol) than their high price tag, when it's hard to see what you are truly paying your extra dollars for.
 
Okay, so now I have some experienced and knowledgable seahorse keepers on the thread... let me gather some info. I have a 20" x 20" x 20" aquarium 34g. I want to keep some of the safer corals. The only fish I have now is a yellow watchman goby with pistol shrimp pair. The chalices only seem to release tentacles at night and only about 1" high... If they need to go they will. I have zoas and toadstools and that is all for corals. I want to add I have cared for reef tanks for a few years succesfully. I have always wanted and read about keeping seahorses. I know I have allot to learn, but by no means am I going to jump into this responsibility until I feel I am prepared and educated to be succesful.
So I want a pair of horses, what is my best choice? Where can I obtain a pair that you suggest?
 
i would sell the chalice . a lot of folks here swear by seahorse source . my lfs is able to get Ora erectus at a great price . so you may want to check with your lfs first.
 
For that tank you could house a pair of standard seahorses like reidi, erectus, kuda, comes.
I would rate the chalice a two where zero would be ideal and four would be the worst case. I definitely wouldn't put it in with any of my seahorse tanks.
 
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